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The Duty of Corporations

Should the duty by re-examined?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 42.9%
  • No

    Votes: 16 57.1%

  • Total voters
    28
Maybe what's less important than the pathetic truths about corporations and their lack of duty to anyone or anything but money... is what duties corporate America should have...
 
what we need is more ambition, less whining. More hard work, less envy and a government that stops encouraging sloth and dependence. less liberals telling people that they cannot succeed so they need the dem party to take care of them

Lots of folks suffering hard times are very hard workers and have lots of ambition. The words ENVY and WHINING do not even appear in their lexicon. They do not think about liberalism or the democratic party or anything else that makes up the boogeymen under the bed of the far right wing. They are simply Americans who see a growing disparity of wealth and no place in society for they or their children to live the American Dream.

That should scare the hell out of the right wing. Of course, if you live in denial of that reality, you can whistle past the graveyard.
 
from Khrazy in the OP



100% absolutely positively without a doubt.

As long as the only imperative for a corporation is to make money, there will always be societal problems and fall out. We need new rules for new times and a new paradigm that takes in much more than simple greed fo a corporation or its stockholders.
The world should be more fair.
 
If I make keys for a living, and you buy my keys, my duty is to provide you a key that works. I have no duty to you to charge you a particular price. If you don't want to buy my key, then buy someone elses - or use a different lock - or create a product that makes my key obsolete.

You have no obligation to me except to pay for my key. You have no duty to buy my key. You don't have to loan me money to keep my business going or promise not to make a better key.

Everything else is based on agreement (Want to loan me money for a return on an investment? Let's discuss it. Want to buy part of my business? Let's talk.) or on restriction (illegal/unethical to sell a key that may explode without warning, illegal/unethical to lie about what a key can do).

Trying to say a corporation has a duty to be more than a profit center is like saying a race car driver and pit crew have a duty to do more than win races. They're supposed to do what they can to win races within the rules that they're given.
 
Trying to say a corporation has a duty to be more than a profit center is like saying a race car driver and pit crew have a duty to do more than win races. They're supposed to do what they can to win races within the rules that they're given.

The problem is they benefit more than anyone else from social services.
 
The problem is they benefit more than anyone else from social services.
That's completely false. I am assuming you are using the argument that they used the streets, police services, fire, etc. that all taxes paid for. While they did use these resources, so do we, and taxes are paid by the corporations(mostly) as well as every employee and their shareholders, if anything taxes being equal in the equation the corporate interests already paid MORE for usage than any individual or group and the argument is especially true when you add in the individuals working for said interest.
 
That's completely false. I am assuming you are using the argument that they used the streets, police services, fire, etc. that all taxes paid for. While they did use these resources, so do we, and taxes are paid by the corporations(mostly) as well as every employee and their shareholders, if anything taxes being equal in the equation the corporate interests already paid MORE for usage than any individual or group and the argument is especially true when you add in the individuals working for said interest.

You left out the education we provide for their employees.
 
You left out the education we provide for their employees.
Not necessarily. Think about this, not all citizens go to or graduate college or tech schools. Many corporations train at the entry level for just such a case and these programs are done through private companies or in house at the corporations expense. As a matter of fact, in my state many of the millionaires only graduated high school or GED and worked their way up the chain. Now, I do get that the schools were paid for by taxes, but these taxes come in the form of business or property tax and allocated as necessary from the collection coffers, businesses pay more taxes than we do and so do wealthy people in said business, they pay more on that as well.

EDIT- let's also not forget that many children are home schooled which takes them out of the expense equation to a certain degree, many of those kids tend to outperform public school students at a pretty high rate, and are about on par with private schools, also taken out of the expense equation.
 
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s a matter of fact, in my state many of the millionaires only graduated high school or GED and worked their way up the chain. Now, I do get that the schools were paid for by taxes, but these taxes come in the form of business or property tax and allocated as necessary from the collection coffers, businesses pay more taxes than we do and so do wealthy people in said business, they pay more on that as well.

Most of the education payed for, for children, is k-12. We only provide a small amount of money to comm. colleges and state schools.
 
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Most of the education payed for, for children, is k-12. We only provide a small amount of money to comm. colleges and state schools.
I get that. The key argument is still the same, the corporate taxes are higher and also pay for a great portion of that and on top they pay to further educate their employees at their own expense.
 
I get that. The key argument is still the same, the corporate taxes are higher and also pay for a great portion of that and on top they pay to further educate their employees at their own expense.

Not high enough, that is the point democrats are making. They should have to pay for ALL of it because without the infrastructure that us lower class people build, they would have not one single employee. They are a product of OUR environment, not the other way around.
 
"fairness" and "justice" do not exist. They are meaningless concepts that do not apply to real life.

That is untrue, they exist if we make them exist. Evil prevails when good men fail to act. Remember that.
 
Not high enough, that is the point democrats are making. They should have to pay for ALL of it because without the infrastructure that us lower class people build, they would have not one single employee. They are a product of OUR environment, not the other way around.
Well, here's the deal. The corporate and small business interests do more in the form of employing than any party's policies ever did. Much of the social theories that Democrats introduced over the years omit major parts of reality. Poor people built the roads, fine, wealthy people paid for it; Democrats tend to be punitive towards business interests as they have the "deep pockets" mentality, well, it's insulting to a business owner to assume 100% of the liability and then be regulated by non contributing " business partners" in government that contribute nothing, take at will, and use the full force of law to dictate the businesses practices, then turn around and say "it's not enough".

Further, many employees seek laws to further the influence against their employers. While some of those may or may not be necessary it boils down to people using force to change company policy while contributing no liability. The point is, under any tax system you can site, the wealthy pay more, most have no problem with paying more....it's paying too much that becomes the issue.
 
And an employee has a greater duty than to simply work minimum hours for maximal pay.

The should, according to the liberals in this thread, take into account the state of the union, the economy, etc., and cut their salaries to ease the burden on employers so that more people can be hired. They should work more hours in each day (without pay) to better utilize the fixed costs of the business like the desks, PC's, etc.

They should also leave for work extra early every day so they can stop on the roadside and plant a ****ing tree.

AND, we should make it a federal law to do all this ****. Good lord people.
 
Well, here's the deal. The corporate and small business interests do more in the form of employing than any party's policies ever did. Much of the social theories that Democrats introduced over the years omit major parts of reality. Poor people built the roads, fine, wealthy people paid for it; Democrats tend to be punitive towards business interests as they have the "deep pockets" mentality, well, it's insulting to a business owner to assume 100% of the liability and then be regulated by non contributing " business partners" in government that contribute nothing, take at will, and use the full force of law to dictate the businesses practices, then turn around and say "it's not enough".

Further, many employees seek laws to further the influence against their employers. While some of those may or may not be necessary it boils down to people using force to change company policy while contributing no liability. The point is, under any tax system you can site, the wealthy pay more, most have no problem with paying more....it's paying too much that becomes the issue.

They provide the money to build the roads, the poor physically build them. Does this sound familiar?
 
The should, according to the liberals in this thread...
I guess you missed my liberal post where I said corporations don't have a duty to anyone except for who they chose to have a duty to. Similar sentiments have been expressed by other liberals. Maybe you should stick to replying to individual posters rather than making such anti-intellectual generalizations.

That said, even though I disagree with those who say corporations have duties beyond the ones they set for themselves, the conclusions you draw from their comments are ridiculous.
 
They provide the money to build the roads, the poor physically build them. Does this sound familiar?
And the "poor" if you can call construction work that; build the roads for agreed upon pay in the hiring contract. The monetary value of not doing the labor is set by the business or government organization and the employee decides it matches their time/labor value requirement. What's your point?
 
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And the "poor" if you can call construction work that build the roads for agreed upon pay in the hiring contract. The monetary value of not doing the labor is set by the business or government organization and the employee decides it matches their time/labor value requirement. What's your point?

That didn't make sense...
 
Good men (or women I guess) :).

Who decides who is good? See my point? It's according to perspective. If, for example, two individuals both desire the same object, and one guy wins while the other loses, it is fair to the winner and unfair to the loser. Fair is in the eye of the beholder. So is justice. If your entire family is killed by a drunk driver, can anyone really mete out justice? Can they ever be brought back again? Can their deaths ever really be avenged? Ultimately, nothing changes. Fairness and justice are useless concepts. Life is neither fair nor just.
 
That didn't make sense...
It's simple. You said the poor built the roads, sure, fine, and that the rich paid for them, also fine. The "poor" who are working to build those roads accepted a position, which required a contract to be signed which required values to be set. The contract values are this, what is the labor(not having to physically build the road) worth to the employer and individually what is the time lost to the individual employee and their physical labor worth to them in dollar values. Once those are all determined employment is attained.
 
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Who decides who is good? See my point? It's according to perspective. If, for example, two individuals both desire the same object, and one guy wins while the other loses, it is fair to the winner and unfair to the loser. Fair is in the eye of the beholder. So is justice. If your entire family is killed by a drunk driver, can anyone really mete out justice? Can they ever be brought back again? Can their deaths ever really be avenged? Ultimately, nothing changes. Fairness and justice are useless concepts. Life is neither fair nor just.

I guess you can make that subjective argument, and I would agree with you :).
 
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