View Poll Results: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

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  • illegal alien

    37 45.12%
  • illegal immigrant

    21 25.61%
  • undocumented immigrant

    6 7.32%
  • unauthorized immigrant

    4 4.88%
  • illegal invader

    8 9.76%
  • other (please state)

    6 7.32%
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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I never claimed anything of the sort. What I said is still factually true. The pedestal of the Statue of Liberty is not U.S. immigration law. Deal with reality.
    And I never claimed 'The New Colossus' was part of US immigration law. But it is good to see you aknowledge that the American dream has no basis in reality.

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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by paris View Post
    And I never claimed 'The New Colossus' was part of US immigration law. But it is good to see you aknowledge that the American dream has no basis in reality.
    The American Dream has as much basis in reality as our immigration laws.
    If you strike me down, I'll become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    The New Colossus
    Emma Lazarus, 1883

    Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
    Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
    "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
    With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    Simply awesome. Noble. Wonderful.

    Nowhere does it say "sneak by customs", "duplicate your former society within ours instead of integrating yourself into our culture", "maintain your former allegiances and send our money abroad".

    I have no issue with "immigration". I completely and totally respect the idea that someone ventures out on their own to pursue a better life.

    I also completely and totally respect and participate in charitable giving. But, if a man gives his family's home and all of their assets away, his family freezes to death, and the folks who received the donation tear down the house, use it for firewood, and move on - what was accomplished?
    The US is an odd ship. The captain yells out when he sees obtacles , but 535 individual propellers do the steering.

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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    The F word (plural)
    "It is a sad day in society when people adjust the facts to fit their beliefs, rather than adjust their beliefs to fit the facts."
    Libertarian/Conservative/Christian Beliefs

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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    best answer yet.
    I hope people know I was joking.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by paris View Post
    Hmm... Mexican?
    Except some of them...aren't.
    Education.

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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    Undocumented or unauthorized immigrant is the most finely articulated answer.
    Oh Lord, politically correct...oh...I see socialist. That would explain it. Since you believe in socialism, how about sending me a hundred bucks. I need some new loafers.

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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
    I didn't read anything to the effect of, "Give me your criminals who don't respect our laws." Someone who illegally sneaks into the country is, by definition, a criminal. I want to emphasize that immigration can be a good thing. Part of what makes the country great is that someone can come here and build a better life for himself. If someone is persecuted or poor in some other country and wants to come to the USA and respect our laws, work hard, and create a life, that's great. I'm all for that. What I'm not for is people violating the law. Someone who illegally sneaks in, violates our laws and our sovereignty with their very first act here. Those people I don't want. They can stay out. The ones I want are those who apply to come legally and once here obey all our laws, learn our language and way of life. I want people who want to be American. I don't want anyone who doesn't care about the country, disrespects our laws, and only wants to get what they can get from it. People like that can stay out.

    If our process of legal immigration is too bureaucratic and difficult, then those laws should be revised. Revise the laws and let good people come here legally. Anyone who wants to come here to smuggle drugs, to be in gangs, to commit crimes is someone who has no right to come here. Anyone who illegally slips in is someone who also doesn't respect our laws and therefore has no right to be here.

    Respect our laws or stay out.

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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    What?

    Why the hell would "illegal immigrant" mean the "very person" was illegal? The use of the term immigrant in that phrase means that it's an illegal immigrant, as opposed to a legal one. Denoting the general illegality of their immigration into the country.

    I suppose Illegal Alien might be better, because it gives the impression that they aren't here to stay, as opposed to the "Illegal Immigrant" term.

    But the "Illegal" part most definitely denotes their action, not the person itself...wtf?
    I'm not so sure about that. Why specifically does illegal immigration earn the people the label "illegal"? No other criminals get this? Something doesn't add up here.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Actually, I think that I might have misunderstood him.

    I think he meant that, when someone says something like "those damned illegals"...or something...he takes issue.

    Not positive.
    Exactly. I do not like illegal immigration, but we as a society have to be careful how we react to it. Shorten the name, whatever. Just don't call illegal immigrants "illegals."

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The whole idea that people are unwilling to look at a situation and actually require people to follow the rules is FAR scarier to me than any label we can place on people for acts that they themselves have committed. The act of crossing into this country illegally is what brands these people with that label. It's an act that can be construed as sabotague and espionage, both of which carry the penalty of DEATH under international statutes.
    And that would make you better than the illegal immigrants how? If that kind of vigilante justice were how we responded, give me illegal immigration over that any day of the week.
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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    They used to always be called "illegal aliens," but now it seems many other terms have surfaced. What do you think is the best term that shows the most intellectual honesty?
    Illegal Immigrant and Illegal Alien seem equally accurate. I really can't think of a more appropriate term.

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