View Poll Results: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

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  • illegal alien

    37 45.12%
  • illegal immigrant

    21 25.61%
  • undocumented immigrant

    6 7.32%
  • unauthorized immigrant

    4 4.88%
  • illegal invader

    8 9.76%
  • other (please state)

    6 7.32%
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Thread: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    The best term is "undocumented immigrant," because it is the most accurate descriptor. In America we consider a person innocent until proven guilty. Calling someone an "illegal immigrant" implies that they have immigrated in violation of the law. A person who has immigrated without documentation cannot be an "illegal immigrant" until they have been adjudicated as such. Until adjudication, their status as legal or illegal is indeterminate, and presumed innocent.

    Calling someone who has immigrated improperly an "illegal" immigrant is incorrect because it prematurely imputes a legal conclusion that has not yet been established for that person. When you call an undocumented immigrant an "illegal immigrant," you are essentially convicting them without due process.
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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    The best term is "undocumented immigrant," because it is the most accurate descriptor. In America we consider a person innocent until proven guilty. Calling someone an "illegal immigrant" implies that they have immigrated in violation of the law. A person who has immigrated without documentation cannot be an "illegal immigrant" until they have been adjudicated as such. Until adjudication, their status as legal or illegal is indeterminate, and presumed innocent.

    Calling someone who has immigrated improperly an "illegal" immigrant is incorrect because it prematurely imputes a legal conclusion that has not yet been established for that person. When you call an undocumented immigrant an "illegal immigrant," you are essentially convicting them without due process.
    Why not "alleged illegals", "alleged illegal aliens", "alleged illegal immigrant", "suspected illegals","suspected illegal aliens" or "suspected illegal immigrant if it was merely a case of innocent until proven guilty? Because the term undocumented immigrant does not in any shape or form have a presumption of innocence. The only reason for this term is so that pro-illegals can hide the fact that these people are here illegally, that they have basically took a crap on American sovereignty or have trespassed into the US illegally.
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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    "Illegal alien" is a much better descriptor than "illegal immigrant" because immigrant assumes the person is planning on staying in the US permanently, when that isn't necessarily the case for every alien in this country illegally.

    I will most likely still use "illegal immigrant" when I describe such a person though, since the phrase does cover most all of them, especially the ones that end up in most debates.
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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    So many racists in this thread, so little time...

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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    If being fed up with illegal immigrants make me racist, then I must be, hell I must have a klan outfit and a black man hanging outside. You know so much about me that I never wanted anyone to figure out.
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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    That would be easy.

    "Let me see your green card."
    If he/she runs, they're illegal.
    Or possibly, from an area of the world where law enforcement may be corrupt to a point we would never accept here in the USA.

    And thus, scared of such persons.


    Or, also possibly, had forgotten their green card and for similar reasons didn't think "I don't have it right now" would be acceptable.


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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    So many racists in this thread, so little time...
    Who said something racist?


    Nothing in here about being against illegal immigration or calling illegals "illegal aliens","illegal immigrants" or just "illegals.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism

    1.
    a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
    2.
    a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
    3.
    hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 10-10-11 at 10:19 PM.
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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    They are illegal aliens. They are criminals that need to go through the judicial system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    So many racists in this thread, so little time...
    Where do you see this?
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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    If they are in the US illegally without the the intention of staying long term, illegal alien would be the term. If they intend to stay then illegal immigrant

    It doesnbt matter if they are from Mexico, Canada or China
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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    A criminal. Let's not play word games and call a spade a spade. They are breaking the law, they are criminals.
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