View Poll Results: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

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  • illegal alien

    37 45.12%
  • illegal immigrant

    21 25.61%
  • undocumented immigrant

    6 7.32%
  • unauthorized immigrant

    4 4.88%
  • illegal invader

    8 9.76%
  • other (please state)

    6 7.32%
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Thread: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Illegal aliens or illegal immigrants works fine for me.
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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    They used to always be called "illegal aliens," but now it seems many other terms have surfaced. What do you think is the best term that shows the most intellectual honesty?
    Illegal alien or illegals for short is the most accurate and intellectually honest term for someone who is here illegally other than criminals or criminal aliens. They are foreigners whose presence in this country is illegally. The opposite of an illegal alien is a resident alien who is a foreigner that is here legally with a legally established residence in the US. Criminal is accurate because illegal entry into this country can be punished up to six months in jail and anything requiring jail or prison time is a crime. Words like undocumented immigrant, undocumented American, or just immigrant to apply to illegals are just terms invented by pro-illegals to deceive and hide the illegality of these illegals and to lump in immigrants with illegals.
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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Illegal immigrants
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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    The best term is "undocumented immigrant," because it is the most accurate descriptor. In America we consider a person innocent until proven guilty. Calling someone an "illegal immigrant" implies that they have immigrated in violation of the law. A person who has immigrated without documentation cannot be an "illegal immigrant" until they have been adjudicated as such. Until adjudication, their status as legal or illegal is indeterminate, and presumed innocent.

    Calling someone who has immigrated improperly an "illegal" immigrant is incorrect because it prematurely imputes a legal conclusion that has not yet been established for that person. When you call an undocumented immigrant an "illegal immigrant," you are essentially convicting them without due process.
    Last edited by Guy Incognito; 10-10-11 at 11:45 AM.

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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    The best term is "undocumented immigrant," because it is the most accurate descriptor. In America we consider a person innocent until proven guilty. Calling someone an "illegal immigrant" implies that they have immigrated in violation of the law. A person who has immigrated without documentation cannot be an "illegal immigrant" until they have been adjudicated as such. Until adjudication, their status as legal or illegal is indeterminate, and presumed innocent.

    Calling someone who has immigrated improperly an "illegal" immigrant is incorrect because it prematurely imputes a legal conclusion that has not yet been established for that person. When you call an undocumented immigrant an "illegal immigrant," you are essentially convicting them without due process.
    The question wasn't about someone who is suspected of sneaking in illegally. It was about someone who definitely has done it.

    You also can always use terms like "suspected" or "alleged" in front of an expression, as in "suspected burglar." These qualifiers could be used in front of any of the terms on the list.
    Last edited by Luna Tick; 10-10-11 at 01:16 PM.

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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    The question wasn't about someone who is suspected of sneaking in illegally. It was about someone who definitely has done it.

    You also can always use terms like "suspected" or "alleged" in front of an expression, as in "suspected burglar." These qualifiers could be used in front of any of the terms on the list.
    It doesn't matter if they have "definitely done it" or not. Even if they really are undocumented immigrants, they are presumed innocent until adjudicated guilty. What they did in reality is irrelevant, the presumption of innocence remains until the adjudication of guilt.

    I guess it's reasonable to call undocumented immigrants "suspected illegal immigrants," but that's a stretch. There are millions of undocumented immigrants, and most are not going to ever be adjudicated guilty of illegal immigration. That's just a fact of life.

    So you have two reasons, really, why undocumented is a better term. First it is a literally the most correct, and least circuitous, appellation. Second, calling somebody an "illegal immigrant" or worse an "illegal," especially if they have not been found guilty of unlawful immigration, is a bigoted slur.

    So the term "undocumented immigrant" is both accurate and polite. Whereas the term "illegal immigrant" is both inaccurate and racist. This is a no brainer.

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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    persons seeking the American dream



    we even have a statue with an inscription which reads:

    what makes my proposed expression incorrect?
    yeah, and that statue was a gift from the French. let them take in all the illegal scum of the earth.
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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Pocho .
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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    persons seeking the American dream



    we even have a statue with an inscription which reads:

    what makes my proposed expression incorrect?
    I don't remember seeing anything about "Give me your pushers, your overloaded drug mules." But you can't trust text books anymore...
    Last edited by DashingAmerican; 10-10-11 at 03:19 PM.
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    Re: What is the best term to describe a person who unlawfully enters the US?

    Given my preference...... CORPSE works pretty well. CADAVER would be acceptable as well.

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