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    Should all ammunition be legal?

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Should all ammunition be legal?
    It shouldn't. And I don't think it is. I believe hollow points and armor piercing rounds are illegal in many, if not all, states.
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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It shouldn't. And I don't think it is. I believe hollow points and armor piercing rounds are illegal in many, if not all, states.


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    Hollow points are legal in almost all states, and damn well should be. Hollow points are good. HP's help take the bad guy down with fewer shots, and are less likely to overpenetrate and endanger bystanders than ordinary "hardball" FMJ rounds.

    Armor-piercing ammo.... sigh.

    Okay, let's get out my Class III kevlar vest from my cop days again.

    My Class III vest will stop handgun rounds readily. It will not stop an ORDINARY BULLET from an ORDINARY DEER RIFLE worth a frack. Most cops wear class III or lower vests.

    "Armor piercing bullets" are more fantasy than reality. Carbide-tipped bullets are used for a variety of purposes... some competitors use them as match-grade bullets for some reason to do with extreme accuracy, I'm not really up on all that. The military used to use them for penetration of light cover or light armored vehicles IN RIFLES, I don't know if they still do, they're supposed to be really ****ty on stopping power in .223

    I can't find any proof that "armor piercing" bullets in HANDGUNS actually aid in penetrating kevlar vests. I do know that the kevlar vests most cops wear will NOT stop almost any rifle bullet.


    If we want to outlaw anything that can pierce a vest, we'll have to start by outlawing all rifle ammo.
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    Re: Ammunition

    Regarding my Post #2 above....



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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It shouldn't. And I don't think it is. I believe hollow points and armor piercing rounds are illegal in many, if not all, states.
    They're not. Exploding ammunition is, however. Hollowpoint ammunition is banned by the Geneva Convention. Only full metal jacket ammunition is legal for military engagements.
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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Maggie, I love you sweetheart.

    It is edumacation time.


    Hollow points are legal in almost all states, and damn well should be. Hollow points are good. HP's help take the bad guy down with fewer shots, and are less likely to overpenetrate and endanger bystanders than ordinary "hardball" FMJ rounds.

    Armor-piercing ammo.... sigh.

    Okay, let's get out my Class III kevlar vest from my cop days again.

    My Class III vest will stop handgun rounds readily. It will not stop an ORDINARY BULLET from an ORDINARY DEER RIFLE worth a frack. Most cops wear class III or lower vests.

    "Armor piercing bullets" are more fantasy than reality. Carbide-tipped bullets are used for a variety of purposes... some competitors use them as match-grade bullets for some reason to do with extreme accuracy, I'm not really up on all that. The military used to use them for penetration of light cover or light armored vehicles IN RIFLES, I don't know if they still do, they're supposed to be really ****ty on stopping power in .223

    I can't find any proof that "armor piercing" bullets in HANDGUNS actually aid in penetrating kevlar vests. I do know that the kevlar vests most cops wear will NOT stop almost any rifle bullet.


    If we want to outlaw anything that can pierce a vest, we'll have to start by outlawing all rifle ammo.
    Shouldn't the cops be the only ones (Including military of course, those bastards have everything!) who can use all types of ammunition? This would make their job safer, wouldn't it?

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    Re: Ammunition

    I'm not so sure if thermobaric ammo should be made readily available for purchase by the civilian consumer.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Shouldn't the cops be the only ones (Including military of course, those bastards have everything!) who can use all types of ammunition? This would make their job safer, wouldn't it?

    As an ex-cop, I think I can give you an insightful and well-considered answer to that question.


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    Re: Ammunition

    Okay, I'll elaborate a bit.

    I never worried much about what kind of bullet someone was shooting at me. I was more worried they'd hit me in the face, neck, armpit, groin or anywhere else a vest doesn't cover. Or that they had an ordinary deer rifle, which would go right thru me vest and all like so much cheese.

    Not to mention knives, fists, boots, tire-irons and all the other things that can come your way....
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    Re: Ammunition

    Well, I'd never go out and buy fragmentation rounds, but I can't see any reason why someone else shouldn't be able to. If I'm justified in shooting, then it hardly matters how much damage I do in the process.

    On the topic of armor-piercing rounds-- Goshin's clarifications aside-- body armor is perfectly legal. Criminals don't use it because it's expensive, bulky, and suspicious looking. But what happens if they do? If I am carrying arms because of legitimate concern that I may find myself in armed conflict, and you support my right to do so, then shouldn't I be allowed to carry arms that are going to be effective in that armed conflict?

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