Jryan
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Should all ammunition be legal?
Should all ammunition be legal?
It shouldn't. And I don't think it is. I believe hollow points and armor piercing rounds are illegal in many, if not all, states.
It shouldn't. And I don't think it is. I believe hollow points and armor piercing rounds are illegal in many, if not all, states.
Maggie, I love you sweetheart.
It is edumacation time.
Hollow points are legal in almost all states, and damn well should be. Hollow points are good. HP's help take the bad guy down with fewer shots, and are less likely to overpenetrate and endanger bystanders than ordinary "hardball" FMJ rounds.
Armor-piercing ammo.... sigh.
Okay, let's get out my Class III kevlar vest from my cop days again.
My Class III vest will stop handgun rounds readily. It will not stop an ORDINARY BULLET from an ORDINARY DEER RIFLE worth a frack. Most cops wear class III or lower vests.
"Armor piercing bullets" are more fantasy than reality. Carbide-tipped bullets are used for a variety of purposes... some competitors use them as match-grade bullets for some reason to do with extreme accuracy, I'm not really up on all that. The military used to use them for penetration of light cover or light armored vehicles IN RIFLES, I don't know if they still do, they're supposed to be really ****ty on stopping power in .223
I can't find any proof that "armor piercing" bullets in HANDGUNS actually aid in penetrating kevlar vests. I do know that the kevlar vests most cops wear will NOT stop almost any rifle bullet.
If we want to outlaw anything that can pierce a vest, we'll have to start by outlawing all rifle ammo. :no:
Shouldn't the cops be the only ones (Including military of course, those bastards have everything!) who can use all types of ammunition? This would make their job safer, wouldn't it?
Well, I'd never go out and buy fragmentation rounds, but I can't see any reason why someone else shouldn't be able to. If I'm justified in shooting, then it hardly matters how much damage I do in the process.
I'm not so sure if thermobaric ammo should be made readily available for purchase by the civilian consumer.
When a Gun Is More Than a Gun
I would want it to be illegal to limit the damage someone can do before someone intervenes. You don't want the cops to get their and the whole block is gone.
Oh come on now, that's a huge overstatement....
The principle is still the same though I think. We want to limit the damage someone can do before police intervened. Blame the ones that don't follow the laws, they ruin it for everybody. Although you are right, nothing can take out blocks with the exception of bombs, c4, etc etc.
You have to understand how bullets "work", which most people do not.
With few exceptions, bullets do NOT knock people ass-over-appetite to the ground. "Every action has an equal but opposite reaction". If the bullet was that powerful, the recoil would knock the SHOOTER to the ground too.
Bullets make holes. Holes in people result in blood-loss. Blood loss results in dizziness, weakness, faintness, and eventually unconsciousness, and after a while untreated, death. There's also nerve damage but that's unrealiable unless you make a head shot, and head shots with hand guns are problematic due to skull resistance at any distance.
So mostly, a gun "stops" a BG by making a hole and causing him to bleed. The bigger and deeper the hole, the faster his blood pressure drops out, the faster he loses consciousness.... and the quicker he ceases to be a threat.
There's also the psych factor. Most people who get shot cease action because of psych reactions, their brain says "Oh **** I'm shot!" and they are too distracted by this alarming situation (and the pain) to do much else.
Some people don't experience psych reactions.... drug flipouts for instance, or people who are just really damn tough. This is when you have stories where cops shoot someone 75 times... Why?.... because the sumbeech kept shooting back!!
If you limit damage it means more bullets are going to fly... his and mine.... before someone loses enough BP to pass out.
With few exceptions, bullets do NOT knock people ass-over-appetite to the ground. "Every action has an equal but opposite reaction". If the bullet was that powerful, the recoil would knock the SHOOTER to the ground too.
Regarding my Post #2 above....
Thanks, Goshin!
Wouldn't you want to give all advantages to the cops though?
I knew that, I find it funny when someone thinks that. Did they miss the day in class where they taught Neuton's laws of physics?
how do we go about that? Shall we simply ban hollowpoint ammo? Well, good HPs do more damage than FMJ ball, but then again FMJ ball is more likely to overpenetrate and/or richochet and pose a danger to bystanders. Where's the trade-off?
A gad guy in a crowded area isn't going to care if his bullet over penetrates and kills another innocent civilian.
Okay, fine, FMJ's shouldn't be banned. How about tracer rounds? This would give a person in a night fight the advantage over the cops (Especially if they are using an automatic weapon )