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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I have this strange feeling my son would disagree with you. He's fifteen, 6'2" and built like a linebacker. I've been teaching him martial arts since he could walk, and since I'm getting old and out of shape he could probably beat my ass if he took a notion. He still obeys me out of respect, because he knows who loves him, he knows how hard it was being a single parent, and he knows that I raised him the way I did, not because it was easy but because I wanted him to have the best upbringing possible. He's said he plans to raise his own (as yet future potential) children the same way I raised him.

    The latter is not simply generational repetition without thought. We've discussed how some people don't believe in spanking children; we've talked about examples of terrible bratty kids we both know who were not disciplined when young. He wants his future children to be well-behaved and to understand that there are limits to what you can get away with before society smacks you down hard.


    He's very well adjusted, well-behaved but spirited with a huge sense of humor. Almost every teacher he's ever had has said they wished they had a classroom full just like him, as he is courteous, respectful and well-behaved. Other adults have remarked to me with awe at how mature he is, and how he conducts himself like a grown man. He has a steady girlfriend whom I approve of as she is neither a slut, booze-hound or druggie (I know her family AND her friends).

    He's already decided what he's going to do for a living and how he is going to get educated in his chosen occupation.

    When you've raised a child to near-adulthood with that level of success, then maybe you can criticize my methods. Until then you're an ivory-tower theorist who has read a few books.

    If you'd read a few books on "wild edible plants" but had never gone out in the woods and put theory to the test, I'd probably be hesitant to take your word on whether some berry or root was safe to eat or not. Get it?
    kudos - i'm impressed.


    see, Jyran, I know parents like this. they are the people I go to for reading suggestions or advice. because they have actually been in the arena, and knows what actually works.


    And so I think I would rather raise sons that will turn out as described above than spoiled savages who are convinced that authority cannot or will not harm them. My wife's biological mother raised two sons like that. One is in and out of juvie, and the other got out of jail last year. Because they thought they could do whatever they pleased, and authority had no hold over them.


    Strangely, the younger one I think still feels that way. I guess the lessons we learn as children really are that defining - he thinks it's somehow abusive or unfair when the state punishes him for criminality. The older one, I think, is starting to get it. he wants to enlist, but with the military looking to severely cut personnel, i'm not sure he'll be able to get a waiver. which is a pity, the Marines would do great things for him.
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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    I'm not so sure if thermobaric ammo should be made readily available for purchase by the civilian consumer.

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    Re: Ammunition

    2. That's one example, and we have only your word for it.
    You are calling me a liar ?

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    Re: Ammunition

    And so I think I would rather raise sons that will turn out as described above than spoiled savages who are convinced that authority cannot or will not harm them. My wife's biological mother raised two sons like that. One is in and out of juvie, and the other got out of jail last year. Because they thought they could do whatever they pleased, and authority had no hold over them.
    Maybe the difference is I was born/raised liberal and you were born/raised conservative.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no. we tried the no-spanking route for a bit. it just didn't actually work.

    I actually tried it until my son was 3. It was a disaster. He was immune to simple verbal correction, stone deaf to scoldings, fought time-outs like Mike Tyson and took loss-of-privileges or being ignored for bad behavior as an excuse to trash the house. He was a horrific brat at 3 1/2.... then I started whuppin' that ass... and by the time he was 5 he was a different kid, and a happier one.


    Thing is, when done right it works. The two main things are consistency, and showing them twice as much love as you do discipline. But if the discipline just isn't there or isn't working, you get a brat.

    It doesn't take a PhD to realize this, just two eyes and a brain and a little experience in the world.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Maybe you just didn't try hard enough? I'm beginning to think questioning someones parenting is suicidal.
    generally, short of blatant major issues with the child, you would be correct to say that trying to tell someone their parenting is flawed without some kind of actual authority and experience backing you (and their permission or request for such advice) is indeed stupid. Because no matter how many books you read, children are each unique, and their parents are the expert on them. so you are advising the subject matter expert.

    Every parent is going to think they have raised their children the best.
    no. but every parent will think that a non-parent presuming to tell them how to raise their own kids is ridiculous.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I actually tried it until my son was 3. It was a disaster. He was immune to simple verbal correction, stone deaf to scoldings, fought time-outs like Mike Tyson and took loss-of-privileges or being ignored for bad behavior as an excuse to trash the house. He was a horrific brat at 3 1/2.... then I started whuppin' that ass... and by the time he was 5 he was a different kid, and a happier one.


    Thing is, when done right it works. The two main things are consistency, and showing them twice as much love as you do discipline. But if the discipline just isn't there or isn't working, you get a brat.

    It doesn't take a PhD to realize this, just two eyes and a brain and a little experience in the world.
    I gave my parents the finger merely on the principle that I had no idea what it meant. I thought it was a symbol for I love you (my sister told me this) and obviously it wasn't. I was grounded for 2 days. I think I was 10.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    generally, short of blatant major issues with the child, you would be correct to say that trying to tell someone their parenting is flawed without some kind of actual authority and experience backing you (and their permission or request for such advice) is indeed stupid. Because no matter how many books you read, children are each unique, and their parents are the expert on them. so you are advising the subject matter expert.



    no. but every parent will think that a non-parent presuming to tell them how to raise their own kids is ridiculous.
    Thinking how this ammunition thread turned into a parenting thread. This is like a group of mountaneers discussing whether their sport entailed climbing uphill.

    I do agree with you, but I still don't think that beating a child (and yes spanking IS beating) is the correct way to deal with their problems.

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    Re: Ammunition

    It doesn't take a PhD to realize this, just two eyes and a brain and a little experience in the world.
    There it is, the crack at me, the young-an. Didn't think you would sink that low. I honestly thought you had better respect for me than that.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    You are calling me a liar ?
    I would not do so unless I could prove you were. It was actually supposed to be more than half-joke.

    Seriously though... YOU consider yourself well-behaved... would I? Maybe, how should I know? I don't know you IRL.

    I'll take your word on it.... but see points 1 and 3.

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