:doh Have you been listening? There is no such thing. I could take a Ranger T in the arm or leg and keep shooting back. If one hit me through the upper chest and pierced my lung but missed my heart and major arteries, I could probably shoot back. If they got me through the heart or aorta or spine or brain or femoral artery, I'm probably done for no matter what kind of bullet we're talking about.
Load a .45 handgun with a Ranger T hollowpoint round. Then compare it to a bolt-action 30-06 deer rifle. I guarantee you the deer rifle will penetrate a standard police vest... the RangerT might or might not, it isn't advertised as a vest-penetrating round. The deer rifle bullet will likely do more damage through yaw and hydrostatic shock, and the rifle bullet is MORE likely to result in instant or rapid incapacitation through affecting blood pressure.
If you're so worried about all this, you should start with banning all rifle ammo. That's not going to endear you to millions of hunters and sportsmen. Then you'd better ban shotguns, because they're pretty devastating.
So it makes a bigger hole than most handgun bullets. As long as the hole is in the OTHER guy, I'm fine with that. The key to making sure it is the OTHER GUY that gets holes in him has nothing to do with ammo; it has to do with awareness, readiness, judgement, tactics, and skill with arms.
Like I said in the the other thread... we're talking about WEAPONS, they're SUPPOSED to be dangerous! :roll: