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    Re: Ammunition

    Well, I'd never go out and buy fragmentation rounds, but I can't see any reason why someone else shouldn't be able to. If I'm justified in shooting, then it hardly matters how much damage I do in the process.
    I would want it to be illegal to limit the damage someone can do before someone intervenes. You don't want the cops to get their and the whole block is gone.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    I'm not so sure if thermobaric ammo should be made readily available for purchase by the civilian consumer.

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    Frackin' awesome. I want one.

    Of course, this IS the sort of thing that's reasonable to restrict... because it isn't actually a bullet, it is a 20mm grenade.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I would want it to be illegal to limit the damage someone can do before someone intervenes. You don't want the cops to get their and the whole block is gone.

    Oh come on now, that's a huge overstatement....

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Oh come on now, that's a huge overstatement....
    The principle is still the same though I think. We want to limit the damage someone can do before police intervened. Blame the ones that don't follow the laws, they ruin it for everybody. Although you are right, nothing can take out blocks with the exception of bombs, c4, etc etc.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    The principle is still the same though I think. We want to limit the damage someone can do before police intervened. Blame the ones that don't follow the laws, they ruin it for everybody. Although you are right, nothing can take out blocks with the exception of bombs, c4, etc etc.

    You have to understand how bullets "work", which most people do not.


    With few exceptions, bullets do NOT knock people ass-over-appetite to the ground. "Every action has an equal but opposite reaction". If the bullet was that powerful, the recoil would knock the SHOOTER to the ground too.

    Bullets make holes. Holes in people result in blood-loss. Blood loss results in dizziness, weakness, faintness, and eventually unconsciousness, and after a while untreated, death. There's also nerve damage but that's unrealiable unless you make a head shot, and head shots with hand guns are problematic due to skull resistance at any distance.

    So mostly, a gun "stops" a BG by making a hole and causing him to bleed. The bigger and deeper the hole, the faster his blood pressure drops out, the faster he loses consciousness.... and the quicker he ceases to be a threat.

    There's also the psych factor. Most people who get shot cease action because of psych reactions, their brain says "Oh **** I'm shot!" and they are too distracted by this alarming situation (and the pain) to do much else.

    Some people don't experience psych reactions.... drug flipouts for instance, or people who are just really damn tough. This is when you have stories where cops shoot someone 75 times... Why?.... because the sumbeech kept shooting back!!

    If you limit damage it means more bullets are going to fly... his and mine.... before someone loses enough BP to pass out. More bullets flying is not a good thing for anyone in the area.
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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You have to understand how bullets "work", which most people do not.


    With few exceptions, bullets do NOT knock people ass-over-appetite to the ground. "Every action has an equal but opposite reaction". If the bullet was that powerful, the recoil would knock the SHOOTER to the ground too.

    Bullets make holes. Holes in people result in blood-loss. Blood loss results in dizziness, weakness, faintness, and eventually unconsciousness, and after a while untreated, death. There's also nerve damage but that's unrealiable unless you make a head shot, and head shots with hand guns are problematic due to skull resistance at any distance.

    So mostly, a gun "stops" a BG by making a hole and causing him to bleed. The bigger and deeper the hole, the faster his blood pressure drops out, the faster he loses consciousness.... and the quicker he ceases to be a threat.

    There's also the psych factor. Most people who get shot cease action because of psych reactions, their brain says "Oh **** I'm shot!" and they are too distracted by this alarming situation (and the pain) to do much else.

    Some people don't experience psych reactions.... drug flipouts for instance, or people who are just really damn tough. This is when you have stories where cops shoot someone 75 times... Why?.... because the sumbeech kept shooting back!!

    If you limit damage it means more bullets are going to fly... his and mine.... before someone loses enough BP to pass out.
    Wouldn't you want to give all advantages to the cops though?

    With few exceptions, bullets do NOT knock people ass-over-appetite to the ground. "Every action has an equal but opposite reaction". If the bullet was that powerful, the recoil would knock the SHOOTER to the ground too.
    I knew that, I find it funny when someone thinks that. Did they miss the day in class where they taught Neuton's laws of physics?

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Regarding my Post #2 above....



    Thanks, Goshin!

    You're fine, hon, there's another 500 people on DP that don't know about ammo either and didn't have the nerve to post anything, so we'll just edumacate them too.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Scenerio: A FIGHT BETWEEN TWO INDIVIDUALS - BOTH USEING WEAPONS.

    One is useing a 3" Buck Pocket Knife....The other has a razor sharp Machete.
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    One is useing a Handgun with Round-nose Bullets....The other a handgun with Hollow Point Bullets.

    Botton line is this....There will always be something better.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Wouldn't you want to give all advantages to the cops though?



    I knew that, I find it funny when someone thinks that. Did they miss the day in class where they taught Neuton's laws of physics?

    Okay, son, how do we go about that? Shall we simply ban hollowpoint ammo? Well, good HPs do more damage than FMJ ball, but then again FMJ ball is more likely to overpenetrate and/or richochet and pose a danger to bystanders. Where's the trade-off?

    Hell you can make your own hollowpoints... peel the metal jacket back from the nose a little and drill a hole in the lead, you're GTG.

    Maybe we just make all civilians use rubber bullets?? Um, no, I don't think that's a good idea. If 70yo Gramma has to shoot a 20yo thug who breaks into her house, I'd want her using something better than rubber bullets. Ditto if 22yo daughter needs to shoot a rapist, I want her using HPs.

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    Re: Ammunition

    how do we go about that? Shall we simply ban hollowpoint ammo? Well, good HPs do more damage than FMJ ball, but then again FMJ ball is more likely to overpenetrate and/or richochet and pose a danger to bystanders. Where's the trade-off?
    A gad guy in a crowded area isn't going to care if his bullet over penetrates and kills another innocent civilian.

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