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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if you are over 21 you can-what state are you in
    Just so you know it was a deferred prosecution. North Carolina BTW.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Again, you're making mighty big assumption without knowing me.

    I grew up in the era of Dr. Spock. No, not the guy with the ears on Star Trek, the first big-name Doctor to write a book on child-rearing that said Don't Spank.

    MY parents didn't hold with Dr Spock. They applied a switch or belt when they felt it was necessary, though not really that often. They raised 4 well-behaved children who are now mature adults, not one of which has ever spent a single night in jail.

    I SAW with my own eyes, growing up and as a young man, children whose parents refused to spank, were afraid to scold too harshly, and in short were very light-handed with the discipline. Mostly it didn't work out too good; lots of their kids turned out to be undisciplined rogues who made bad choices and ****ed up their own lives and the lives of others... a fair few of the spoiled little darlin's ended up on the wrong side of the law and are currently doing life in prison.

    Now I have this strange facility that springs from the frontal lobes of my brain: the ability to observe the behavior of others and see what works and what doesn't. From what I've seen the two keys to raising a child who becomes a successful and happy adult are 1. Lots of love and 2. as much consistent discipline as necessary, including spankings when young if needed.

    Read a book? Hell I'm writing one. It's called Beat that Ass: How to Raise Children Even Your Neighbors Will Love.
    spare the rod, you'll spoil the child. spoiled children tend to fail as adults.

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    MY parents didn't hold with Dr Spock. They applied a switch or belt when they felt it was necessary, though not really that often. They raised 4 well-behaved children who are now mature adults, not one of which has ever spent a single night in jail.
    Could that not be because the children weren't scolded? How does that have anything to do with beating a child. Beating a child only has to do with instilling fear.

    Read a book? Hell I'm writing one. It's called Beat that Ass: How to Raise Children Even Your Neighbors Will Love.
    Ignorance is bliss.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    so yes. you who are here lecturing us on how to raise our own children, have raised precisely zero yourself.
    That is no way near as bad (the poster of course has been subjected to parenting by his father) as economic failures telling us high bracket taxpayers how much they know about economics



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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Could that not be because the children weren't scolded? How does that have anything to do with beating a child. Beating a child only has to do with instilling fear.
    says who? It certainly had more effects on that for me, and it certainly does on my sons. Spanking works just like any other punishment - If you do X, then Y will happen to you, so don't do X.

    I mean, legitimate fear should be part of it - the child should know "if I do x then y will happen to me, and I don't want that" - but that is part of any consistent disciplinary regime, irrespective of whether or not it includes spanking.

    you seem to have "spanking as part of a consistent, loving disciplinary regime" confused with "inconsistent/drunken beating".

    Ignorance is bliss.
    yeah. he's ignorant. because he's raised multiple children successfully. whereas you are experienced because you can google a book list?
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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Could that not be because the children weren't scolded? How does that have anything to do with beating a child. Beating a child only has to do with instilling fear.



    Ignorance is bliss.
    Not ignorance, son. I've probably read more books on a wider variety of topics than you've ever dreamed of. My personal library includes around 500 books and those are just the ones I thought were good enough to keep. Among them are treatises on psychology, child-rearing and sociology. I am far from ignorant.

    The word you're looking for, and the thing that you so obviously lack, is EXPERIENCE. It makes a world of difference.

    While I use the word "beating" sometimes just to shock fainting-daiseys like yourself, it reality I've never "Beat" a child, nor would I. "Beating" implies an uncontrolled fusillade of blows likely to inflict injury.

    Beating and spanking are not the same. Spanking is a form of discipline carefully and deliberately applied to cause a little minor pain without inflicting actual injury. The knowlegeable parent knows that spanking in anger is to be avoided; it is to be done with formal deliberation and without heat; the reasons why explained carefully; love exhibited throughout the event by explaining that you don't WANT to spank your child, but you even more so don't want them to run out in front of a speeding car like they very nearly just did.

    You want to talk about ignorance son, maybe you need to look in the mirror. You still haven't answered the question of how many children you're raised. I think we know why, don't we.

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    says who? It certainly had more effects on that for me, and it certainly does on my sons. Spanking works just like any other punishment - If you do X, then Y will happen to you, so don't do X.

    I mean, legitimate fear should be part of it - the child should know "if I do x then y will happen to me, and I don't want that" - but that is part of any consistent disciplinary regime, irrespective of whether or not it includes spanking.
    That is part of maximizing pain in this world.

    yeah. he's ignorant. because he's raised multiple children successfully. whereas you are experienced because you can google a book list?
    Because I have read a book list. I like how you won't ask for it though, it goes to show how you really don't care about your children. I mean because you would do anything for them, with the exception of reading a simple book.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    That is no way near as bad (the poster of course has been subjected to parenting by his father) as economic failures telling us high bracket taxpayers how much they know about economics
    well I wouldn't define by that. Actors can be pretty high tax bracket, and I haven't seen a particularly notable amount of economic wisdom flowing from them. But it is possible to be a poor (money wise) economist.

    given the uniqueness of children, I tend to look askance at anyone who claims to be a greater expert on the children than their parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Not ignorance, son. I've probably read more books on a wider variety of topics than you've ever dreamed of. My personal library includes around 500 books and those are just the ones I thought were good enough to keep. Among them are treatises on psychology, child-rearing and sociology. I am far from ignorant.

    The word you're looking for, and the thing that you so obviously lack, is EXPERIENCE. It makes a world of difference.

    While I use the word "beating" sometimes just to shock fainting-daiseys like yourself, it reality I've never "Beat" a child, nor would I. "Beating" implies an uncontrolled fusillade of blows likely to inflict injury.

    Beating and spanking are not the same. Spanking is a form of discipline carefully and deliberately applied to cause a little minor pain without inflicting actual injury. The knowlegeable parent knows that spanking in anger is to be avoided; it is to be done with formal deliberation and without heat; the reasons why explained carefully; love exhibited throughout the event by explaining that you don't WANT to spank your child, but you even more so don't want them to run out in front of a speeding car like they very nearly just did.

    You want to talk about ignorance son, maybe you need to look in the mirror. You still haven't answered the question of how many children you're raised. I think we know why, don't we.
    You have just meet the definition of trolling then fine sir. You have also not read about how spanking provides nothing for your child but fear. Why do you want to give your child fear? He does not associate the fear with running in-front of the car, he associates the fear with you... Not saying you are a fear monger-er or some sick ****, just someone who lacks perspective.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    That is part of maximizing pain in this world.
    .....what???

    Because I have read a book list.
    good for you. I hope that it prepares you better to be a parent should you ever become one. However, until that happy day arrives, realize that you are a blind man describing a painting to someone who can see it.

    I like how you won't ask for it though, it goes to show how you really don't care about your children.


    man, you really have no clue.

    I mean because you would do anything for them, with the exception of reading a simple book.
    fail. I've gone through two books on parenting advice and am working my way through a third. But I select such books carefully, with the advice of more experienced parents whom I trust and who appear to have been quality, successful parents themselves.

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