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    Re: Ammunition

    Good point, what should the cops carry (ammunition wise) ie what is in their standard magazine?

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I seriously suggest you take a long hard look at your life, if you seriously believe beating a child teaches them ANYTHING then I feel petty for your children and you yourself. If you would like books to read on this (which there are to many for me to list), please feel free to ask for that suggestion. In fact, I would say beating a child probably contributed to them stealing rather than them learning.
    that certainly was not my experience - when my momma tanned my butt, I learned quite quickly. Going through bootcamp, the same lesson was applied - though then I was forced to apply the pain to myself. As a parent, I have learned that there are times when you have to smack the hand or the bottom. The trick isn't "no pain", but rather, use consistency and act out of consistency rather than anger. We have a little chart that hangs in the kitchen, and lists specific misbehaviors (IE: hitting your little brother) that are matched to specific punishments (popped with a wooden spoon). Within that, the child can move the punishment up or down by follow-on behavior. For example, if my son lies about what he did and then fights me, he will get popped three times, hard enough to actually cause pain. If he is honest, apologizes to his brother, and then doesn't fight me, he will only get popped once, and then only hard enough to sting a little bit - really just enough so that we have consistently applied the punishment matched to the crime. That teaches him that once he's already in a hole, stop digging.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that certainly was not my experience - when my momma tanned my butt, I learned quite quickly. Going through bootcamp, the same lesson was applied - though then I was forced to apply the pain to myself. As a parent, I have learned that there are times when you have to smack the hand or the bottom. The trick isn't "no pain", but rather, use consistency and act out of consistency rather than anger. We have a little chart that hangs in the kitchen, and lists specific misbehaviors (IE: hitting your little brother) that are matched to specific punishments (popped with a wooden spoon). Within that, the child can move the punishment up or down by follow-on behavior. For example, if my son lies about what he did and then fights me, he will get popped three times, hard enough to actually cause pain. If he is honest, apologizes to his brother, and then doesn't fight me, he will only get popped once, and then only hard enough to sting a little bit - really just enough so that we have consistently applied the punishment matched to the crime. That teaches him that once he's already in a hole, stop digging.
    No recommended reading I see? This teaches your children nothing which every book ever written (with exception to literature that is spoken or certain biblical books) says otherwise. You are merely following your parents ideologies and that is sick. Read books, I will provide a list if you ask.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    556 Quad in the M4

    AP, Tracer, Hollowpoint, ball
    I always front-loaded and end-loaded tracer; buuut, I wasn't loading for home defense. for home defense, I don't really see myself carrying anything other than some form of round designed to go into an object and stop moving; it's too hard to know where the round will go in such a confined space.

    Exception: my wifes' pistol is loaded with Federal round designed specifically to go through things. that is because her response is to grab the boys, run to the bedroom, aim at the center of the door, and then shoot the center of the door if someone tries to jimmy the handle.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    No recommended reading I see? This teaches your children nothing which every book ever written (with exception to literature that is spoken or certain biblical books) says otherwise. You are merely following your parents ideologies and that is sick. Read books, I will provide a list if you ask.
    I'm sure there are plenty of new age books out there about how i should raise my child to learn instead that he has no real reason to obey authority. If you like, I could give you a list about how family structures are changing and that's wonderful and okay... and then I could give you a list of how moving away from traditional family structures has wrecked entire demographics.

    I think I'll go with the experience of the past 5,000 years or so of recorded human history instead, thanks .

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I seriously suggest you take a long hard look at your life, if you seriously believe beating a child teaches them ANYTHING then I feel petty for your children and you yourself. If you would like books to read on this (which there are to many for me to list), please feel free to ask for that suggestion. In fact, I would say beating a child probably contributed to them stealing rather than them learning.

    Son, once again you are clueless. You assume I'm simply some ignorant redneck who doesn't know any better, blah blah blah.... I'm a college educated man who has run an office with 27 employees.

    How many children have YOU raised? I've raised one of my own, and was substitute-Daddy for two of my sister's kids when their old man died, and I'm currently helping a single mother raise her two boys.

    My views on child-rearing are on DP. Do a search and you'll turn lots of stuff up.

    In sum I am a firm believer in several things regarding child-rearing. Number one is love: daily, demonstrated, proven in both word and deed, warmth and self-sacrifice. You have no clue how much I've sacrificed for my own child, bub. Number two is discipline: firm, consistent, measured and proportional, applied without fail every time it is needed.

    Discipline can be applied in a number of ways. Verbal correction, verbal scolding, time outs, loss of privileges... and spanking. Spanking is not preferred, but is rather a last resort or used for "capital offenses": safety issues and open defiance.

    Every child is different. Some learn to behave without ever being spanked. Some require a LOT of spanking before they will even BEGIN to accept that there are external boundaries to their behavior. It depends.

    When they're pre-school age it is difficult, because they aren't very susceptible to reason and are very forgetful. When it comes to open defiance or doing things that are dangerous, it is often necessary to reinforce words with a spanking. This aids in remembering that it is IMPORTANT not to run out into the road without looking.

    As they grow older a properly-disciplined child will rarely require a spanking. Do it right and start early and you probably won't ever need to lay a finger on them when they're past 7 or 8.

    That's the problem these days: people are afraid to properly discipline their child, so their all-but-grown "child" does stupid **** like steal beer from a neighbors' house, an activity that is both unlawful and liable to result in a LOT worse than a mere spanking.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Good point, what should the cops carry (ammunition wise) ie what is in their standard magazine?
    Normally hollowpoint

    the most popular police and LEO loads include

    1) federal Hydrashock

    2) Remington Golden saber

    3) Hornady Critical defense

    4) winchester-ranger (DHS issued) hollowpoints

    5) Winchester "silver tips"



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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You're damn right it does. Pain is one of the most effective ways of saying "dont do that again." I personally prefer reasoning with people, but if someone has lived 16 years on this Earth and not learned that stealing **** from someone's house is Big Bad Thing, then they probably need to suffer some pain to see to it the dumbass mother****er remembers next time.

    Thieves suck. It isn't a prank, it isn't funny, it is THEFT.

    And again, a 16yo may be a minor but not a "child". You make it sound like a teen stealing beer is a widdle four year old. He isn't.
    Truth. I can think of quite a few stores around where I used to live where the clerk kept a shot-gun and would have blown away anyone threatening him in order to steal from a store: 16 or not.

    People are not naturally law-abiding, peaceful, kind, generous, happy citizens. People are naturally savages. When you raise a child to believe that they can act like a savage without severe consequence, you are effectively refusing to civilize him, and civilization may one day kill him for that.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Discipline can be applied in a number of ways. Verbal correction, verbal scolding, time outs, loss of privileges... and spanking. Spanking is not preferred, but is rather a last resort or used for "capital offenses": safety issues and open defiance.
    Have you ever considered capital offenses to be the problem? Could I recommend a book on the subject? You seem ignorant on the subject. Not saying you are a country redneck, you just seem to be okaying it because it was okayed yesterday.

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    Re: Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Normally hollowpoint

    the most popular police and LEO loads include

    1) federal Hydrashock

    2) Remington Golden saber

    3) Hornady Critical defense

    4) winchester-ranger (DHS issued) hollowpoints

    5) Winchester "silver tips"
    I thought you were a lawyer...

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