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Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

Should the GOP should fear the 99% movement

  • Absolutely should fear it

    Votes: 19 31.1%
  • Somewhat fear it

    Votes: 7 11.5%
  • Fear it a little bit

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Fear it a tiny bit

    Votes: 3 4.9%
  • Absolutely nothing to fear

    Votes: 20 32.8%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Don't care

    Votes: 6 9.8%
  • Other (explian)

    Votes: 4 6.6%

  • Total voters
    61
I just read a sign that said the following: "All I want is a roof over my head, Food on the table, and the dignity of an honest paycheck. Is that asking too much? I Am the 99%."

Well if this were true of 99% of Americans I guess it would have an impact. With such overly dramatic pronunciations and unrealistic expectations how can people take them seriously? Most of these people protesting have probably never missed a meal in their lives that wasn't their own choice. But watch as the media actually do take them seriously.
 
the people who have "huge tax breaks" are people who have full citizenship rights yet pay ZERO income taxes

The unemployed, the poor, and seniors need to pay more in taxes so the rich who create no US jobs can continue to receive huge tax cuts, in your dreams.

and you aren't hurt by someone else only paying 300K a year in taxes rather than 400K.

Why should the majority of the country accept more and more debt to provide tax cuts that do not benefit us???
you still get a far lower tax bill than you should pay because someone like me pays too much

The only way your lowered tax bill affects the majority of the country, is increasing our debt.
 
The unemployed, the poor, and seniors need to pay more in taxes so the rich who create no US jobs can continue to receive huge tax cuts, in your dreams.



Why should the majority of the country accept more and more debt to provide tax cuts that do not benefit us???


The only way your lowered tax bill affects the majority of the country, is increasing our debt.

Wrong as usual

they need to pay some income taxes to give them feedback that government spending costs money

and if they did have that feedback I suspect our government would not be the massively overgrown abomination we have today.

you want the government to spend more and more and more on people like you and demand people like me face an unlimited duty to pay for it
 
I just read a sign that said the following: "All I want is a roof over my head, Food on the table, and the dignity of an honest paycheck. Is that asking too much? I Am the 99%."

Well if this were true of 99% of Americans I guess it would have an impact. With such overly dramatic pronunciations and unrealistic expectations how can people take them seriously? Most of these people protesting have probably never missed a meal in their lives that wasn't their own choice. But watch as the media actually do take them seriously.

What exactly do you find unrealistic about expectations for a roof over peoples heads, food on the table, and the dignity of an honest paycheck?
 
Wrong as usual

they need to pay some income taxes to give them feedback that government spending costs money

and if they did have that feedback I suspect our government would not be the massively overgrown abomination we have today.

you want the government to spend more and more and more on people like you and demand people like me face an unlimited duty to pay for it

How do you propose the unemployed, poor, and seniors pay more in taxes? No, I do not wish the government spend more and more. I have suggested time and again that cut drastically our most wasteful spending, our optional wars and bloated military spending of the last 30 years.

People can no longer justify giving tax breaks to people just because they are wealthy without creating jobs with the extra income they have due to the huge tax cuts that were provided to them.
 
How do you propose the unemployed, poor, and seniors pay more in taxes? No, I do not wish the government spend more and more. I have suggested time and again that cut drastically our most wasteful spending, our optional wars and bloated military spending of the last 30 years.

People can no longer justify giving tax breaks to people just because they are wealthy without creating jobs with the extra income they have due to the huge tax cuts that were provided to them.

are you saying they have zero dollars available?

If you cannot afford more taxes maybe you should demand LESS GOVERNMENT rather than demanding others pay for stuff you think you need.

The rich pay far more than they should

based on what they use
and their share of the income

you want a system where everyone but the rich are encouraged to demand more government
 
are you saying they have zero dollars available?

Where do the unemployed, seniors and the poor get money to pay more in taxes then they already are???

If you cannot afford more taxes maybe you should demand LESS GOVERNMENT rather than demanding others pay for stuff you think you need.

We are demanding less government. We are demanding less wars and cutting military spending back to defense only.

The rich pay far more than they should

If you own most of the money, you are going to pay most of the taxes. We will try to remedy this problem for you.
 
Where do the unemployed, seniors and the poor get money to pay more in taxes then they already are???



We are demanding less government. We are demanding less wars and cutting military spending back to defense only.



If you own most of the money, you are going to pay most of the taxes. We will try to remedy this problem for you.
seniors and the poor have ZERO dollars to spare? they don't have cell phones, tv's etc?

your envy of the rich is pathetic but you avoid the main issue

people who don't have to pay for more government tend to be the ones who push for more government
 
seniors and the poor have ZERO dollars to spare? they don't have cell phones, tv's etc?

your envy of the rich is pathetic but you avoid the main issue

people who don't have to pay for more government tend to be the ones who push for more government

td, not everyone envies the rich, despite your silly proclamations. i take it you would have the elderly and poor live without phones? or even tvs? i disagree with that, and my disagreement does not make me envy you.
 
td, not everyone envies the rich, despite your silly proclamations. i take it you would have the elderly and poor live without phones? or even tvs? i disagree with that, and my disagreement does not make me envy you.

true, not everyone gets on a message board constantly whining about the rich. ITs those who do I believe are envious or spiteful towards the rich.

I would have those who demand more government actually be taxed to pay for what they want.


right now half of America pays no income taxes and thus has NO INCENTIVE WHATSOEVER to demand less government
 
seniors and the poor have ZERO dollars to spare? they don't have cell phones, tv's etc?

I see, you expect seniors, unemployed, and the poor to give up phones and tvs bought at the thrift store so the rich can buy another yacht. Dream on little turtledude.

your envy of the rich is pathetic but you avoid the main issue

The only envy I have is for a strong middle class that we used have when taxes were more progressive.

people who don't have to pay for more government tend to be the ones who push for more government

Exactly, if the rich had not been receiving huge tax breaks for the last 30 years they would not have pushed for such wasteful spending on optional wars and bloated military spending.
 
Unless they get some goals and direction, no, the GOP doesn't need to fear the Occupiers. They're a rag-tag, disjointed mass of neo-hippies and anti-capitalists, with a muddled message and no proposed solutions.

As much as they claim to be the 99%, they don't represent the majority of Americans. Most Americans do not think all corporations are evil and that the capitalist system should be scrapped. While most Americans realize some reforms are necessary, they also know where their paychecks come from, and who produces the products and services we all use.

Personally, I would be much more impressed if the Occupiers went out and got occupied. Don't camp out in a New York park, trying to get screen time on Rachel Maddow's show while you scream about Goldman Sachs. If you truly care about the millions of Americans who are hurting, go out and volunteer at a soup kitchen, at a food bank, at a school. Be a tutor, a mentor, a Big Brother or Big Sister. I'd be much more likely to listen to their message--assuming it were focused--if they did something like that than if they just spend endless weeks in drum circles and consensus-building call-and-answer sessions.
 
I see, you expect seniors, unemployed, and the poor to give up phones and tvs bought at the thrift store so the rich can buy another yacht. Dream on little turtledude.



The only envy I have is for a strong middle class that we used have when taxes were more progressive.



Exactly, if the rich had not been receiving huge tax breaks for the last 30 years they would not have pushed for such wasteful spending on optional wars and bloated military spending.

More dishonesty

the vast vast majority of those deemed rich cannot afford yachts.

secondly you completely ignore the problems that come from a huge number of people who don't pay income taxes yet clamor for higher rates on those who do.

Your crap about the military is rather telling--you completely ignore the fact that it is entitlements and handouts that are costing us the most
 
are you saying they have zero dollars available?

If you cannot afford more taxes maybe you should demand LESS GOVERNMENT rather than demanding others pay for stuff you think you need.

The rich pay far more than they should

based on what they use
and their share of the income

you want a system where everyone but the rich are encouraged to demand more government

Well they are using more of the countrys total available wealth than everybody else.

All the money is issued by the govt, remember.

Hell, as fiat currency, it only EXISTS because the govt says it does.

Money is created by govts to carry energy through the economy.

Portable stored negative entropy.

When the money over-concentrates, it stops serving this purpose for the economy as a whole and only serves its owners.

When it sits in one place doing nothing, as with the two trillion dollars sidelined by business, the economy as a whole suffers.
 
Well they are using more of the countrys total available wealth than everybody else.

All the money is issued by the govt, remember.

Hell, as fiat currency, it only EXISTS because the govt says it does.

Money is created by govts to carry energy through the economy.

Portable stored negative entropy.

When the money over-concentrates, it stops serving this purpose for the economy as a whole and only serves its owners.

When it sits in one place doing nothing, as with the two trillion dollars sidelined by business, the economy as a whole suffers.

You pretend the wealth is something owned collectively and If i "take" more wealth I take from you and others

and one of the main reasons why corporations and individuals are storing wealth is because the idiot in the white house has no clear clue on how to run things. smart people are guarding against massive tax hikes and other schemes that asswipe may spring on us
 
More dishonesty

the vast vast majority of those deemed rich cannot afford yachts.

secondly you completely ignore the problems that come from a huge number of people who don't pay income taxes yet clamor for higher rates on those who do.

Your crap about the military is rather telling--you completely ignore the fact that it is entitlements and handouts that are costing us the most

The millionaires and billionaires can afford yachtss, yet you complain about those who can only barely afford second hand items from the thrift store.

I am talking about those that don't pay their fair share of taxes, the rich, clamoring for increased spending for the last 30 years.

Welfare prevents revolution. Most would prefer we simply provide people with a living wage as an alternative to welfare, but hey, the choice is yours. Military spending that almost equals the rest of the world combined and our optional wars are the most wasteful and help our citizens the least.
 
More dishonesty

the vast vast majority of those deemed rich cannot afford yachts.

secondly you completely ignore the problems that come from a huge number of people who don't pay income taxes yet clamor for higher rates on those who do.

Your crap about the military is rather telling--you completely ignore the fact that it is entitlements and handouts that are costing us the most

I actually support highly progressive taxation to discourage over accumulation of wealth.

I think after a point, taxes should render acquiring more money a waste of effort. Leaving fruit on the tree for the next guy.

I think ten millionaires are better for the economy than one guy with ten million. I think a thousand millionaires is WAY better for the economy than one billionaire.

But thats just me. Hell, I think ypu should be able to own your home and one commercial/income property, and after that property taxes go up steeply to return homes to being residences instead of assets.
 
What exactly do you find unrealistic about expectations for a roof over peoples heads, food on the table, and the dignity of an honest paycheck?

The idea that this condition affects 99% of the population.
 
This about . 001 % not 99% and they are goof and have no clue about what drives the economy or creates jobs.

The are headed into a situation they will never win.

Most of them can't even articulate why they are there or what they want.

They are products of Obama's class Warfare messages.


This will end in disaster and they will cause it because they are stupid spoiled idiots, who need to get a job sit down and shut the hell up.

I thought it was pretty clear they want the US Government to take care of them at taxpayer expense.
 
The idea that this condition affects 99% of the population.

Than you have failed at understanding the lessons of the Great Depression, that too much wealth concentration at the top cannot sustain our country's economy which affects 99% of the population.
 
The idea that this condition affects 99% of the population.

It's actually the direct opposite. The OWS type protester is a 1% of the 1% of anti-capitalists, professional protester, mixed with some genuine people who have legit grievances. The latter I'm afraid will be eaten by the two former - which is sad.
 
I actually support highly progressive taxation to discourage over accumulation of wealth.

I think after a point, taxes should render acquiring more money a waste of effort. Leaving fruit on the tree for the next guy.

Thats not how money works. There isn't some fixed supply to be divided up like a pie, to some at the expense of others. A productive person ceasing to work helps no one, and costs many people jobs.

I think ten millionaires are better for the economy than one guy with ten million. I think a thousand millionaires is WAY better for the economy than one billionaire.

Well you're wrong, that Billionaire can do more for the economy than 10 millionaires can.

But thats just me. Hell, I think ypu should be able to own your home and one commercial/income property, and after that property taxes go up steeply to return homes to being residences instead of assets.

I'm glad yours is not the majority position, what an awful country that would be. I'm glad Richard Branson can have so many businesses and employ others. What troubles me about you is that you're the type who would keep the poor poorer so long as the rich don't get any richer. No matter how well the rich have done these past decades, the poor are better off too.
 
I actually support highly progressive taxation to discourage over accumulation of wealth.

I think after a point, taxes should render acquiring more money a waste of effort. Leaving fruit on the tree for the next guy.

I think ten millionaires are better for the economy than one guy with ten million. I think a thousand millionaires is WAY better for the economy than one billionaire.

But thats just me. Hell, I think ypu should be able to own your home and one commercial/income property, and after that property taxes go up steeply to return homes to being residences instead of assets.

The best thing parents can do for their children is prepare them for life, which is not easy for most people. It's a lot of work and sacrifice to varying degrees.

If you want to work hard and get a good education there's plenty of fruit to go around. The other part of the equation to creating jobs is rescinding restrictions and regulations on business that stifle the private sector. In other words, firing Obama in 2012.

There's plenty of fruit out there, the liberal mindset just wants the low hanging fruit.
 
You pretend the wealth is something owned collectively and If i "take" more wealth I take from you and others

and one of the main reasons why corporations and individuals are storing wealth is because the idiot in the white house has no clear clue on how to run things. smart people are guarding against massive tax hikes and other schemes that asswipe may spring on us

Not taking it from others, taking it before others can get to it.

Picking all the apples. FAR more than they could ever use before spoilage. Then charging others extra due to the apple shortage.
 
You pretend the wealth is something owned collectively and If i "take" more wealth I take from you and others

and one of the main reasons why corporations and individuals are storing wealth is because the idiot in the white house has no clear clue on how to run things. smart people are guarding against massive tax hikes and other schemes that asswipe may spring on us

Also, wealth at its source comes from the Commons, which according to the Founders and Lockean Liberalism, is everybodys gift from god.
 
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