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Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

Should the GOP should fear the 99% movement

  • Absolutely should fear it

    Votes: 19 31.1%

  • Somewhat fear it

    Votes: 7 11.5%

  • Fear it a little bit

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Fear it a tiny bit

    Votes: 3 4.9%

  • Absolutely nothing to fear

    Votes: 20 32.8%

  • Don't know

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Don't care

    Votes: 6 9.8%

  • Other (explian)

    Votes: 4 6.6%
  • Total voters
    61
ksu_aviator said:
The goal of the 99% movement is to establish a pseudo moral obligation to limit an individual's earnings and wealth. That is not dangerous to the GOP, that is dangerous to Americans.
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at Ksu-aviator's link said:
Allow Us to Introduce Ourselves

Who are we? Well, who are you? If you’re reading this, there’s a 99 percent chance that you’re one of us.

You’re someone who doesn’t know whether there’s going to be enough money to make this month’s rent. You’re someone who gets sick and toughs it out because you’ll never afford the hospital bills. You’re someone who’s trying to move a mountain of debt that never seems to get any smaller no matter how hard you try. You do all the things you’re supposed to do. You buy store brands. You get a second job. You take classes to improve your skills. But it’s not enough. It’s never enough. The anxiety, the frustration, the powerlessness is still there, hovering like a storm crow. Every month you make it is a victory, but a Pyrrhic one — once you’re over the hump, all you can do is think about the next one and how much harder it’s all going to be.

They say it’s because you’re lazy. They say it’s because you make poor choices. They say it’s because you’re spoiled. If you’d only apply yourself a little more, worked a little harder, planned a little better, things would go well for you. Why do you need more help? Haven’t they helped you enough? They say you have no one to blame but yourself. They say it’s all your fault.

They are the 1 percent. They are the banks, the mortgage industry, the insurance industry. They are the important ones. They need help and get bailed out and are praised as job creators. We need help and get nothing and are called entitled. We live in a society made for them, not for us. It’s their world, not ours. If we’re lucky, they’ll let us work in it so long as we don’t question the extent of their charity.

We are the 99 percent. We are everyone else. And we will no longer be silent. It’s time the 1 percent got to know us a little better. On Sept. 17, 2011, the 99 percent will converge on Wall Street to let the 1 percent know just how frustrated they are with living in a world made for someone else. Let us know why you’ll be there. Let us know how you are the 99 percent.
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We are the 99 percent. We are getting kicked out of our homes. We are forced to choose between groceries and rent. We are denied quality medical care. We are suffering from environmental pollution. We are working long hours for little pay and no rights, if we're working at all. We are getting nothing while the other 1 percent is getting everything. We are the 99 percent.
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Sorry KSU-Aviator, your link fails to say what you said. So where did the idea that " goal of the 99% movement is to establish a pseudo moral obligation to limit an individual's earnings and wealth" really come form?
 
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Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
Sorry KSU-Aviator, your link fails to say what you said. So where did the idea that " goal of the 99% movement is to establish a pseudo moral obligation to limit an individual's earnings and wealth" really come form?
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LOL.

Did you actually think they'd come out and say "We want to take their money."? Of course not. But what are they implying when they talk about how much money "Wall Street" has and how hard things are for them? It isn't that we should lower tax rates for the rich...I can guarantee you that.
 
It is troubling for a tiny bit. You don't want to just flat out dismiss them, because they might actually gain traction in the future. I'm skeptical of these folks, because it seems like fairly unfocused, and has a somewhat troubling number of people that are just fine with getting arrested to make something resembling a statement.
 
The tea party was just as confused, message all over the place, lack of purpose other than protesting when it started. The situation with OWS is somewhat dangerous right now and they should be afraid. Someone with money to fund a movement that can tell the OWS people what they stand for like was done with the Tea Party can turn it into a powerful political tool. Will we soon have a congress that has more extremists, this time on the opposite side of the political spectrum, making it even harder than it is now to pass anything?
 
ksu_aviator said:
LOL.

Did you actually think they'd come out and say "We want to take their money."? Of course not. But what are they implying when they talk about how much money "Wall Street" has and how hard things are for them? It isn't that we should lower tax rates for the rich...I can guarantee you that.
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The tired old lie that cutting taxes on the rich will grow jobs has been proven false. The majority of people think that after 10 years of lowered tax rates without the creation of jobs or a stable economy that we need to try what worked during the Clinton years to both grow jobs and balance the budget - raise taxes on the rich. That is one of the goals of the OWS/99% movement.
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
The tired old lie that cutting taxes on the rich will grow jobs has been proven false. The majority of people think that after 10 years of lowered tax rates without the creation of jobs or a stable economy that we need to try what worked during the Clinton years to both grow jobs and balance the budget - raise taxes on the rich. That is one of the goals of the OWS/99% movement.
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as opposed to the even more tired old lie that taxing the rich more helps anyone other than a few dem politcians?
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
The tired old lie that cutting taxes on the rich will grow jobs has been proven false. The majority of people think that after 10 years of lowered tax rates without the creation of jobs or a stable economy that we need to try what worked during the Clinton years to both grow jobs and balance the budget - raise taxes on the rich. That is one of the goals of the OWS/99% movement.
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Wow. Thank you for unwittingly proving my point.
 
TurtleDude said:
as opposed to the even more tired old lie that taxing the rich more helps anyone other than a few dem politcians?
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You're worried about the deficit? Raising taxes would definitely help.

Btw, do you admit that "cutting taxes on the rich will create jobs" is a lie, then?
 
ksu_aviator said:
Wow. Thank you for unwittingly proving my point.
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I see you are another of the conservatives here who only believe what the right-wing media sources tell you is true. Do a little research on what tax rates on the rich were during the Us's most prosperous times. It is not something Cain, Fox or the GOP are going to tell you - you will have to look at the data yourself and decide if a case can be made for your opinion.
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
I see you are another of the conservatives here who only believe what the right-wing media sources tell you is true. Do a little research on what tax rates on the rich were during the Us's most prosperous times. It is not something Cain, Fox or the GOP are going to tell you - you will have to look at the data yourself and decide if a case can be made for your opinion.
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Do a little research about the tax rates and tax revenue, and you will realize it is hardly relevant what the tax rates are among the top 1%. Increasing tax rates for only the richest of the richest may feel good, but will not solve the deficit and actually may hurt the economy.

Secondly, many of them own companies. When you increase their taxes, then they will just raise prices.
 
Camlon said:
Do a little research about the tax rates and tax revenue, and you will realize it is hardly relevant what the tax rates are among the top 1%. Increasing tax rates for only the richest of the richest may feel good, but will not solve the deficit and actually may hurt the economy.

Secondly, many of them own companies. When you increase their taxes, then they will just raise prices.
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I guess then you have to prove that the prices they raise are equal to or more than what the revenue benefits would be. You kind of leave that hanging. Also, it does matter what the higher bracket is taxed because when they were taxed at 90% back in the Eisenhower era it had the direct effect of companies investing in their growth rather than their executives and it showed in the economic stability.
 
lpast said:
Something like this isnt looking for legitimacy, its not looking for a clear message...its all about a wakeup call to all the working class that have just been just sitting back like lambs letting a handful of far right teapartiers dictate....its already started to wake them up
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You are exactly right. Many seem to think this is just another political action demonstration.
 
cpwill said:
you know all those tax breaks that the people are protesting out there in the OWS movement? yeah - the tea party had a bill passed through the House (died in the Senate) that pulled out every single one.



I would like to see your backing for any kind of actual tea party push to abolish social security, mediare, and medicaid.

because it's certainly not what they're telling pollsters: 70% of Tea Party Supporters Oppose Cuts to Medicare and Medicaid



actually, the Ryan Plan was the budget that took out all the tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations.



actually that is accurate. there is good reason why the auto companies up north are dying while the auto factories down south are booming.


again, you seem woefully uninformed on that which you rant about continually. where are you getting your information?
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I would like to see your backing for any kind of actual tea party push to abolish social security, mediare, and medicaid.

You wont see it from me..Im against it.


I would like to see your backing for any kind of actual tea party push to abolish social security, mediare, and medicaid.

because it's certainly not what they're telling pollsters: 70% of Tea Party Supporters Oppose Cuts to Medicare and Medicaid

I wasnt talking about the rank and file teapartiers...I was talking about the teaparty greedster politicians....CP most of the teaparty supporters are not RICH
teaparty politicians are of the rich and for the rich...the supporters are well many are just dopey :)



actually, the Ryan Plan was the budget that took out all the tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations.

Ryans plan did not take out ALL of them..took out some and gave the rich a whopping 28% decrease along with corps along with elminating the capitol gains and inheritance tax....BILLIONS upon billions more in tax CUTS
Ryans plan gutted Social Security and Medicare and shifted more costs to the middle class...Ryan was full of chit


actually that is accurate. there is good reason why the auto companies up north are dying while the auto factories down south are booming.

Honda one of your booming down south corporations....NON UNION...is in the process of building a billion dollar plant in MEXICO to supply the USA and CANADA....there goes your its the unions fault out the window CP....ITS GREED and thats all its ever been
 
TurtleDude said:
as opposed to the even more tired old lie that taxing the rich more helps anyone other than a few dem politcians?
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It allows us to not have to cut public services for the poor so that the rich don't have to pay an extra 4% in income tax. So it does help, it just doesn't help you.
 
lpast said:
I would like to see your backing for any kind of actual tea party push to abolish social security, mediare, and medicaid.

You wont see it from me..Im against it.
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so you don't have any actual... you know... "evidence", or anything....

I wasnt talking about the rank and file teapartiers...I was talking about the teaparty greedster politicians....CP most of the teaparty supporters are not RICH
teaparty politicians are of the rich and for the rich...the supporters are well many are just dopey :)
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oooooohhhh, it's a conspiracy.

actually, the Ryan Plan was the budget that took out all the tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations.

Ryans plan did not take out ALL of them..took out some and gave the rich a whopping 28% decrease along with corps along with elminating the capitol gains and inheritance tax....BILLIONS upon billions more in tax CUTS
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:) you are confusing the Roadmap with the Ryan Plan. The Ryan Budget that Republicans passed through the House which eliminated those loopholes did not eliminate the capitol gains or the inheritance taxes.

Ryans plan gutted Social Security and Medicare and shifted more costs to the middle class..
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actually the Ryan Plan was criticized for not touching Social Security, but instead only saving Medicare.

Honda one of your booming down south corporations....NON UNION...is in the process of building a billion dollar plant in MEXICO to supply the USA and CANADA....there goes your its the unions fault out the window CP....ITS GREED and thats all its ever been
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:shrug: Honda can build anywhere it likes - it chose to build in free labor states because we are better states to do business in. that's why, over the past decade, unionized states have lost jobs while right to work states have gained them. Toyota built all over the south too (my brother works at one of their plants as an engineer; and is paid much better than I am), even Mercedes is there.

If you want to see what a city looks like with no corporatism (read: unionism) look at Hong Kong. If you want to see what one looks like with lots of unionism, look at Detroit.
 
the makeout hobo said:
You're worried about the deficit? Raising taxes would definitely help.

Btw, do you admit that "cutting taxes on the rich will create jobs" is a lie, then?
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that is a bogus claim

only taxing the rich more will encourage dem politicians to claim that such tax hikes will raise revenue (not a proven fact) and that will be used to justify more social spending to buy votes

Only taxing the rich more will send a message to everyone else that they aren't required to pay more taxes to deal with the deficit or to pay for the additional spending Obama wants to buy their votes so they will continue to clamor for more government

the only way to stop the deficit increasing is for the majority of America to demand less spending and that is far less likely to happen when only 1-3% of America is tasked with more taxes

of course "shared sacrifice" of everyone paying more taxes-ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO DON'T PAY FOR WHAT THEY USE AND WANT NOW" is gonna cost politicians votes
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
I see you are another of the conservatives here who only believe what the right-wing media sources tell you is true. Do a little research on what tax rates on the rich were during the Us's most prosperous times. It is not something Cain, Fox or the GOP are going to tell you - you will have to look at the data yourself and decide if a case can be made for your opinion.
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anyone who makes the claim that the high marginal (which may or may not have translated into higher effective rates) rates on the rich is responsible for that prosperity is ignorant of economic reality-reality that involved us being the only economic superpower due to the War.

The rich also paid a LOWER Share of the income tax burden back then too
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
I see you are another of the conservatives here who only believe what the right-wing media sources tell you is true. Do a little research on what tax rates on the rich were during the Us's most prosperous times. It is not something Cain, Fox or the GOP are going to tell you - you will have to look at the data yourself and decide if a case can be made for your opinion.
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Like most liberals, you missed my point and jumped straight to a topic you think you can win. My point was and is that the 99% movement is about determining what people can earn and you've demonstrated that that is absolutely the case.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Like most liberals, you missed my point and jumped straight to a topic you think you can win. My point was and is that the 99% movement is about determining what people can earn and you've demonstrated that that is absolutely the case.
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The movement is about what is best for the majority of the country rather than what is has been like for the last 3 decades, what is best for the richest 1%.
 
Catawba said:
The movement is about what is best for the majority of the country rather than what is has been like for the last 3 decades, what is best for the richest 1%.
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people who have the knowledge and the resources to earn more money will tend to continue to do that
 
Catawba said:
The movement is about what is best for the majority of the country rather than what is has been like for the last 3 decades, what is best for the richest 1%.
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Again, you are proving my point. You are implying that the majority can dictate through tax policy what a minority can earn.
 
DNC is who should fear this movement but instead they are embracing it. These wack jobs are turning off independents, the 60s are over and you can't bring that era back. We have matured as a nation, well most of us anyway.
 
TurtleDude said:
people who have the knowledge and the resources to earn more money will tend to continue to do that
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ksu_aviator said:
Again, you are proving my point. You are implying that the majority can dictate through tax policy what a minority can earn.
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People that receive huge tax breaks will certainly have more resources. The question is will the majority of the country decide they wish to continue to provide huge tax breaks to the most wealthy, simply because they are wealthy, to the detriment of the majority, or not.
 
Catawba said:
People that receive huge tax breaks will certainly have more resources. The question is will the majority of the country decide they wish to continue to provide huge tax breaks to the most wealthy, simply because they are wealthy, to the detriment of the majority, or not.
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the people who have "huge tax breaks" are people who have full citizenship rights yet pay ZERO income taxes

and you aren't hurt by someone else only paying 300K a year in taxes rather than 400K

you still get a far lower tax bill than you should pay because someone like me pays too much
 
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