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Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

Should the GOP should fear the 99% movement

  • Absolutely should fear it

    Votes: 19 31.1%

  • Somewhat fear it

    Votes: 7 11.5%

  • Fear it a little bit

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Fear it a tiny bit

    Votes: 3 4.9%

  • Absolutely nothing to fear

    Votes: 20 32.8%

  • Don't know

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Don't care

    Votes: 6 9.8%

  • Other (explian)

    Votes: 4 6.6%
  • Total voters
    61
celticwar17 said:
Actually no... there are actually sister protest at my college and they are full of signs stay "Capitalism Is the Problem" and such. And don't worry there are definitely many of those too in the regular protest as well.
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There are MANY, including myself, who don't want capitalism done away with, we want it fixed.

In my opinion its an excellent machine for transforming resources into wealth, and much good has come of it.

But it is inherently concentrative. In a real sense it IS concentration. Takes money to make money.

The bigger your money pile gets the faster the money pile gets bigger, the less actual "risk" relative to the pile as a whole.

Its not evil.

Its amoral.

It does not care about you.

It will eat you.

Like fire. Very useful. Very dangerous.

But manageable. Domesticable.

It can be forced to serve those who employ it as opposed to employing those who serve it.

If everybodys getting fatter at more or less the same pace overall, YMMV, its working for us.

If a few are getting fatter, and owning more, at a much faster pace, and the many are pretty much not getting fatter AT ALL, its being used on most of us in the process of working for a few of us.

It needs to return to being OUR economy.

It needs to return to being OUR capitalism.

So long story long, I think many more think capitalism is "broken" and needs to be fixed than want to be rid of it.
 
Councilman said:
If you are so far gone you can''t see reality, I feel sorry for you because you are going to spend your life in a fantasy world and will never know the reality of the situation.
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Councilman said:
If you are so far gone you can''t see reality, I feel sorry for you because you are going to spend your life in a fantasy world and will never know the reality of the situation.
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celticwar17 said:
There shouldn't be any minimum wage. Anyone what took Econ 1101 would know that. A higher minimum wage would just cause lesson supply of jobs and raise inflation. There should be different ways to stop the super rich from exploiting the system without dropping the incentive for them to make more money...not that difficult of a feat.

And yes, I see the signs at my own college, T.V, and on the internet. And more then just a few that are clueless and just their to legalize pot(How I met your mother reference, anyone? anyone? :lol:).

This is just one big mob that anyone who is angry can project their own fantasy outlook on what its about.
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Unfortunately though a higher minimum wage does nothing to lower demand for products and services. An argument can be made that raising the minimum wage will lower the wage available to those for slightly more skilled work as employers are forced to pay more for other employees. It however will still be necessary to hire the same number of people to fulfill the demand I mentioned earlier. The point about inflation is well taken however it's not a 1:1 ratio between how much we raise the minimum wage and how much inflation increases.
 
celticwar17 said:
Actually no... there are actually sister protest at my college and they are full of signs stay "Capitalism Is the Problem" and such. And don't worry there are definitely many of those too in the regular protest as well.
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I'd be surprised if there weren't splinter groups protesting capitalism... but the movement was started as a way to protest greed and corruption. And I think most people in this country, and around the world for that matter, would agree America has greed and corruption problems. Hell, show me a country that doesn't have these problems!
 
Jucon said:
I'd be surprised if there weren't splinter groups protesting capitalism... but the movement was started as a way to protest greed and corruption. And I think most people in this country, and around the world for that matter, would agree America has greed and corruption problems. Hell, show me a country that doesn't have these problems!
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This country is mired in greed and thats whats killing it.
 
alexxouellette said:
You admit in your response. "Free market-like(interesting choice of words for a right wing libertarian by the way, not that I disapprove of course)/personal responsibility structure. To insinuate that the nature of the problem facing the "middle" and lower e class is due to their own laziness or lack of ambition implies that their position in life is their fault and their fault alone. This movement however is making the statement that it is due to a lack of protection for the American worker and the loosening of corporate regulation which makes it rather difficult except for the lucky few to achieve any sort of stability or success or any real sort of social mobility.
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It is absolutely necessary for our society structured like this. A sort of tough love.

And I believe it is true that majority of our lives are determined by our choices poor or not. There have been countless of examples of poor people making it big, making it good, okay, and sucking. The individual can ALWAYS make a situation better(unless you are physically tied to a tree or even physically handicapped).

Happiness isn't governed by money anyway. There are those that choose to work the jobs they do and be the places to be because money isn't what their lives are all about.

As long as its a government that treats all of us equal and protects our rights as given in by our constitution, people shouldn't have any excuses. The government already gives you what you are entitled too by protecting these. We are not all born equally, its a fact of life.


I'm a lazy and poor as sh** college student with loans, working at a dining hall for minimum wage, so I would have every benefit to myself(as it is tempting) to be a raving liberal and demand I am entitled to have my loans paid and the jobs I want to have good pay, but on a fundamental level I feel like I would be extremely dishonest with myself. Even if all these things impact me the worse I still think it is the right thing to have.

As with Corporations and power... there is still the constitution and Tea Partiers are all about it. Corporations can't get so big a powerful to the point where they are obstructing the rights of people and manipulating the government in ways that are unnatural.

P.S. Im tired I kinda was all over the place lol
 
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What if...? said:
There are MANY, including myself, who don't want capitalism done away with, we want it fixed.

In my opinion its an excellent machine for transforming resources into wealth, and much good has come of it.

But it is inherently concentrative. In a real sense it IS concentration. Takes money to make money.

The bigger your money pile gets the faster the money pile gets bigger, the less actual "risk" relative to the pile as a whole.

Its not evil.

Its amoral.

It does not care about you.

It will eat you.

Like fire. Very useful. Very dangerous.

But manageable. Domesticable.

It can be forced to serve those who employ it as opposed to employing those who serve it.

If everybodys getting fatter at more or less the same pace overall, YMMV, its working for us.

If a few are getting fatter, and owning more, at a much faster pace, and the many are pretty much not getting fatter AT ALL, its being used on most of us in the process of working for a few of us.

It needs to return to being OUR economy.

It needs to return to being OUR capitalism.

So long story long, I think many more think capitalism is "broken" and needs to be fixed than want to be rid of it.
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Thank you. The conservatives continue to argue for some sort of entirely laissez-faire economy as if it were even possible or desirable. Hoover thought so too.... that worked for him right? They do all this while attempting to convince their constituencies to vote against their own economic self interest, trying to convince them that it's the unions, or consumer protection laws, or worker's right laws, or environmental regulations which are responsible for their lot in life. Those mean liberals always brainwashing people into caring about their own rights.
 
celticwar17 said:
It is absolutely necessary for our society structured like this. A sort of tough love.

And I believe it is true that majority of our lives are determined by our choices poor or not. There have been countless of examples of poor people making it big, making it good, okay, and sucking. The individual can ALWAYS make a situation better(unless you are physically tied to a tree or even physically handicapped).

Happiness isn't governed by money anyway. There are those that choose to work the jobs they do and be the places to be because money isn't what their lives are all about.

As long as its a government that treats all of us equal and protects our rights as given in by our constitution, people shouldn't have any excuses. The government already gives you what you are entitled too by protecting these. We are not all born equally, its a fact of life.


I'm a lazy and poor as sh** college student with loans, working at a dining hall for minimum wage, so I would have every benefit to myself(as it is tempting) to be a raving liberal and demand I am entitled to have my loans paid and the jobs I want to have good pay, but on a fundamental level I feel like I would be extremely dishonest with myself. Even if all these things impact me the worse I still think it is the right thing to have.

As with Corporations and power... there is still the constitution and Tea Partiers are all about it. Corporations can't get so big a powerful to the point where they are obstructing the rights of people and manipulating the government in ways that are unnatural.

P.S. Im tired I kinda was all over the place lol
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Don't mean to sound like I'm raving or overly angry however the reality of the situation is that 80 percent have less than 10 percent of the nation's wealth. This structural aristocracy is necessary for our society? Tough love, maybe the way God supposedly loved Job.
 
celticwar17 said:
Actually no... there are actually sister protest at my college and they are full of signs stay "Capitalism Is the Problem" and such. And don't worry there are definitely many of those too in the regular protest as well.
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I'd love to see pics of these signs if you have them.
 
celticwar17 said:
There shouldn't be any minimum wage. Anyone what took Econ 1101 would know that. A higher minimum wage would just cause lesson supply of jobs and raise inflation. There should be different ways to stop the super rich from exploiting the system without dropping the incentive for them to make more money...not that difficult of a feat.

And yes, I see the signs at my own college, T.V, and on the internet. And more then just a few that are clueless and just their to legalize pot(How I met your mother reference, anyone? anyone? :lol:).

This is just one big mob that anyone who is angry can project their own fantasy outlook on what its about.
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Ok, let's say they get rid of minimum wage... I'm someone at the bottom of the economic ladder. Just because min. wage is gone, doesn't mean that the vast majority of my bills are going to change: food, rent, and car payments have little to do with the minimum wage. However, now there's downward pressure on my wages. If my bills aren't dropping, but my wages are, how does that help me? It really doesn't.
 
celticwar17 said:
It is absolutely necessary for our society structured like this. A sort of tough love.

And I believe it is true that majority of our lives are determined by our choices poor or not. There have been countless of examples of poor people making it big, making it good, okay, and sucking. The individual can ALWAYS make a situation better(unless you are physically tied to a tree or even physically handicapped).
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That's a nice view, Pollyanna, but it's way too simple, and it ignores all the things that can go wrong in someone's life, not to mention all the structural problems in our system. Some people can make it good, but it's not guaranteeing that if you work hard you'll make it good.

Happiness isn't governed by money anyway. There are those that choose to work the jobs they do and be the places to be because money isn't what their lives are all about.
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Money doesn't bring happiness, but try being happy without it. Good luck.

I'm a lazy and poor as sh** college student with loans, working at a dining hall for minimum wage, so I would have every benefit to myself(as it is tempting) to be a raving liberal and demand I am entitled to have my loans paid and the jobs I want to have good pay, but on a fundamental level I feel like I would be extremely dishonest with myself. Even if all these things impact me the worse I still think it is the right thing to have.
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Why is it dishonest to want to be paid well, and why is it dishonest to want the government to invest in you? If they pay for your loans, you'll make more money and pay more in taxes. It helps them in the long run. Also, does that mean you're getting through college without any government or family help?

As with Corporations and power... there is still the constitution and Tea Partiers are all about it. Corporations can't get so big a powerful to the point where they are obstructing the rights of people and manipulating the government in ways that are unnatural.
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If you believe that, you have a lot to learn. What's to keep corporations from getting that big? I don't see the Tea Party stopping them.
 
lpast said:
Your right and its not about begrudging the rich becoming richer...its about the TEAPARTY blaming everything thats wrong with the country on everything and everyone but the rich and corporations and the PEOPLE dont believe that crap
The only thing the GOP has to fear from this movement...is that it makes other people aware that theres millions of others that feel the way they do and its ok to tell the teaparty to "F" off with blaming the middleclass and poor for the problem the country is in
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:lol: project much, friend? :)
 
I don't think anyone has anything to fear yet... maybe sometime in the future, but not yet.

when/if the WSO gain traction, both the Dems and the GOP would have a lil policy shaping to fear.....
well, the presupposes that the WSO thing in nonpartisan.. and that has yet to be determined ( hopefully it is, but i kinda doubt it)
 
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Councilman said:
This about . 001 % not 99% and they are goof and have no clue about what drives the economy or creates jobs.

The are headed into a situation they will never win.

Most of them can't even articulate why they are there or what they want.

They are products of Obama's class Warfare messages.

This will end in disaster and they will cause it because they are stupid spoiled idiots, who need to get a job sit down and shut the hell up.
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If you and your fellow conservatives remain this clueless, then yes the GOP has a lot to fear.
 
lpast said:
No sir...you are wrong and your not paying attention....the teaparty has done nothing since the nov elections but attack everything and anything middleclass and poor.
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you know all those tax breaks that the people are protesting out there in the OWS movement? yeah - the tea party had a bill passed through the House (died in the Senate) that pulled out every single one.

It started out they wanted the abolishment of Social Security and Medicare and medicaid...
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I would like to see your backing for any kind of actual tea party push to abolish social security, mediare, and medicaid.

because it's certainly not what they're telling pollsters: 70% of Tea Party Supporters Oppose Cuts to Medicare and Medicaid

when they found what that kind of rhetoric was confronted with they stopped that...and then tried to destroy them by proxy while giving the rich and corporations billions in tax cuts <ryans plan>
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actually, the Ryan Plan was the budget that took out all the tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations.

They have railed that Unions have caused companies to outsource and thats been proven a lie...
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actually that is accurate. there is good reason why the auto companies up north are dying while the auto factories down south are booming.


again, you seem woefully uninformed on that which you rant about continually. where are you getting your information?
 
lpast said:
Not as much as you...damn I need to get into charts and stuff :)
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numbers! and lines! and Big Scary Shaded Red Areas!!! :D
 
Ya know what? Most people don't pay much attention to politics, and even less to protesters.

I walked into my office and said "What do you think about Occupy Wall Street?"

Seven people looked at me blankly. One said "Huh?"

The eighth knew what I was talking about, and laughed and said something derogatory.


There's your 99%.


In brief, "mostly indifferent".
 
alexxouellette said:
Thank you. The conservatives continue to argue for some sort of entirely laissez-faire economy as if it were even possible or desirable. Hoover thought so too.... that worked for him right?
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....you may want to check that ;)

They do all this while attempting to convince their constituencies to vote against their own economic self interest, trying to convince them that it's the unions, or consumer protection laws, or worker's right laws, or environmental regulations which are responsible for their lot in life. Those mean liberals always brainwashing people into caring about their own rights.
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RIGHTS are negative things. you do not have a RIGHT to someone else's stuff.
 
cpwill said:
....you may want to check that ;)



RIGHTS are negative things. you do not have a RIGHT to someone else's stuff.
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Would you say I have a right to a certain type of social/political system, or at least certain attributes in a system?
 
The goal of the 99% movement is to establish a pseudo moral obligation to limit an individual's earnings and wealth. That is not dangerous to the GOP, that is dangerous to Americans.
 
Councilman said:
This about . 001 % not 99% and they are goof and have no clue about what drives the economy or creates jobs.
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What drives the economy and creates jobs? Would you be more willing to expand your business under higher taxes and high demand, or lower taxes and low demand?


They are products of Obama's class Warfare messages.
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I'd say Obama's part in the movement was not sticking to the promises that he was elected to fulfill. He wasn't elected to cut taxes and take a passive approach to stimulating the economy, so people are becoming disillusioned with the system all together.


This will end in disaster and they will cause it because they are stupid spoiled idiots, who need to get a job sit down and shut the hell up.
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And all I'm hearing from conservatives is childish name calling. Why not offer some constructive criticism if you're expecting us to take your debate seriously?
 
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