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  • Absolutely should fear it

    33 31.13%
  • Somewhat fear it

    9 8.49%
  • Fear it a little bit

    3 2.83%
  • Fear it a tiny bit

    3 2.83%
  • Absolutely nothing to fear

    47 44.34%
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    1 0.94%
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Also, to compare US with another country is difficult, because US is very large and diverse. If US was more left-wing, then taxes would be somewhat higher. You would have public health care, death penalty would be outlawed, most guns would be banned, and you would have a more centralized public school system with fewer private schools. Also, there would be many more environmental regulations. However, by large US would look much more like Italy/Greece/France/Germany/Mexico than Scandinavia.

    The west would look like California, so no change there. The South would look like New Mexico, and be dominated by poor Hispanics due to amnesty, so not very good. The southwest would look like now, but with less religion. The northwest would look like now and the north wouldn't be very different either. To summarize

    West: Greece
    South: Mexico
    SouthEast: Italy
    NorthEast: Sweden
    North: Germany
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That's the year Obamacare begins to really kick in (it's such a good deal that they made sure it wouldn't take effect until safely after the election ), with it's massive cuts to the program, and reductions in reimbursement rates that will cause providers to flee the system.

    but hey, you don't have to take it from me.


    Even Pro Single Payer People are pointing this stuff out
    I'm afraid I do have to take it from you, as you are the one that made the claim. Tell us exactly how Earl's benefits are going to be cut in 2014. I'm not going searching for something that doesn't exist.

    You made the claim, you back it up.
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I'm sorry! Both Canada and Australia are great countries.

    Also, both of them are more economically free than the US.
    Our money doesn't have the Queen of England on it.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    What drives the economy and creates jobs? Would you be more willing to expand your business under higher taxes and high demand, or lower taxes and low demand?
    I am a small business owner. I own a recording studio and my business has been my families sole income for ten years.

    Tell me how higher taxes will correlate with higher demand for my services? I don't see how less money in the hands of my clients will result in more business for me unless I start doing post production for NPR?

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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I'm afraid I do have to take it from you, as you are the one that made the claim. Tell us exactly how Earl's benefits are going to be cut in 2014. I'm not going searching for something that doesn't exist.
    i quoted it for you - at length. you know all that stuff you cut out in your reply?

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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    i quoted it for you - at length. you know all that stuff you cut out in your reply?
    You never listed exactly how Earl's medicare benefits will be cut in 2014.
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    are you aware that the current democratic policy is to begin cutting your medicare benefits in 2014? are you aware that current democratic policy is to severely limit your access to providers who will take Medicare in 2014? can you name a single major Republican who has called for cuts to current recipients of Social Security or Medicare?


    I repeat the question. Please name a single major Republican leader who has called for cuts for current retirees, as the Obama administration has.
    I never believed that either the democratic or republican party would allow President Obama or any other candidate to run for President that was not a natural born citizen yet 57% of registered republicans admitted to believeing that thier own party could not prevent an illegal candidate from running, my point just because some one says it does not make it fact but some for what ever partisan reason continue throwing sh-t against the wall hoping that eventually some of it will stick and unfortunately at least 57% of registered republicans and undoubedly some others won't bother to check so for you CP I took the time to look it was difficult but I never minded hard work I am one of the 99% and proud of it

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    Medicare Part B Standard Premium (projected, February 2011)

    2012- $108.20
    2013-$112.10
    2014-$117.10

    I used to receive chain e-mails BTW all from republican buddies of mine until one day I started to fact check and replied to all names on the CC list disproving the BS in the chain mails, I would suggest you start to question some of the facts you receive in your chain e-mails 99% of them will probably be distortions of the truth or just plain out right lies. What time is it in Okinawa?


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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You never listed exactly how Earl's medicare benefits will be cut in 2014.
    ah. my bad - I assumed you were capable of making the leap.

    Earl's benefits are cut because his access is cut. In two ways: 1. the number of available providers will shrink dramatically and 2. the range of services that remaining providers will be able to afford to provide him with at Medicare reimbursement rates will sink.

    Earl is going to have to look harder and go to more effort and personal expense in order to get less healthcare. That's why it's a "cut".


    Earl: I'm in the Philippines right now, and it is 1845.
    Last edited by cpwill; 10-15-11 at 07:44 AM.

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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ah. my bad - I assumed you were capable of making the leap.

    Earl's benefits are cut because his access is cut. In two ways: 1. the number of available providers will shrink dramatically and 2. the range of services that remaining providers will be able to afford to provide him with at Medicare reimbursement rates will sink.

    Earl is going to have to look harder and go to more effort and personal expense in order to get less healthcare. That's why it's a "cut".


    Earl: I'm in the Philippines right now, and it is 1845.
    This has been in the works for years at least since 2003, your opinion is subjective to your conclusions and nothing more. Enjoy your trip

    Medical News: New Bill Pushes Medicare Pay Cuts Out to 2014 - in Practice Management, Reimbursement from MedPage Today

    New Bill Pushes Medicare Pay Cuts Out to 2014

    By Emily P. Walker, Washington Correspondent, MedPage Today
    Published: May 21, 2010

    WASHINGTON -- Doctors would be spared from cuts in Medicare reimbursement until 2014 under a new bill that Congress is expected to take up before Memorial Day.

    The bill -- known as the American Jobs and Closing Tax Loopholes Act of 2010 -- would enact tax cuts and extend a number of expired federal programs. It would also stave off a 21% cut mandated by the sustainable growth rate (SGR) formula, according to an outline of the bill, released Thursday by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Sander Levin (D-Mich.).

    Lawmakers appear to have abandoned a plan that was discussed earlier in the week to stall the cuts for five years.

    The SGR was originally designed to match increases in physician payments under Medicare to the growth in the gross domestic product (GDP). The formula has called for reductions in Medicare payments for years as medical costs have inflated far more quickly than the GDP. Every year, at the last minute, Congress has postponed the cuts.

    Under the bill, physicians who treat Medicare patients would receive "reasonable updates" for the rest of 2010 and all of 2011. In 2012 and 2013, "rates would continue to increase if spending growth on physician services is within reasonable limits."

    While it's not clear how much the rates could be increased, the rates won't be reduced in 2012 and 2013, according to the outline of the bill.

    Primary and preventive care doctors would see an extra, unspecified reimbursement.

    The Congressional Budget Office is currently estimating the cost of the 3.5-year "doc fix."

    But come 2014, physician reimbursements would again be on the chopping block. By then, the amount mandated to be cut under the SGR would be greater than 21%. Each time the cut is pushed down the road, the amount that physicians should be nicked -- according to the formula -- gets bigger and bigger.

    The American Medical Association (AMA), which has long advocated for full repeal of the SGR, said the delay would provide some temporary relief. However, the group's president, James Rohack, MD, said the AMA is "deeply disappointed" that Congress has given up on a permanent fix.

    "Lawmakers must realize that the underlying policy problem will return larger than ever in 2014," Rohack said in a statement. "Future Medicare cuts will severely undermine health system reform initiatives that aim to optimize the quality of patient care as physicians find they cannot afford to participate in Medicare."

    The American College of Cardiology (ACC) echoed similar sentiments.

    "Four years of positive updates will provide physicians with the stability needed, while we look at real ways for true payment reform and eliminating the need for the SGR," said ACC President Ralph Brindis, MD, MPH, in a statement.

    The American Hospital Association (AHA), meanwhile, objected to a provision in the bill that would clarify the so-called "72 Rule," which states that all services provided for Medicare patients within 72 hours of a hospital admission are billed on one claim.

    The bill would prevent hospitals from unbundling those services to receive additional Medicare payments.

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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    This has been in the works for years at least since 2003
    the IPAB has been in the works since 2003? I'm going to need some evidence of that.

    Medical News: New Bill Pushes Medicare Pay Cuts Out to 2014 - in Practice Management, Reimbursement from MedPage Today

    New Bill Pushes Medicare Pay Cuts Out to 2014

    By Emily P. Walker, Washington Correspondent, MedPage Today
    Published: May 21, 2010

    WASHINGTON -- Doctors would be spared from cuts in Medicare reimbursement until 2014 under a new bill that Congress is expected to take up before Memorial Day.

    The bill -- known as the American Jobs and Closing Tax Loopholes Act of 2010 -- would enact tax cuts and extend a number of expired federal programs. It would also stave off a 21% cut mandated by the sustainable growth rate (SGR) formula, according to an outline of the bill, released Thursday by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Sander Levin (D-Mich.).

    Lawmakers appear to have abandoned a plan that was discussed earlier in the week to stall the cuts for five years.

    The SGR was originally designed to match increases in physician payments under Medicare to the growth in the gross domestic product (GDP). The formula has called for reductions in Medicare payments for years as medical costs have inflated far more quickly than the GDP. Every year, at the last minute, Congress has postponed the cuts.

    Under the bill, physicians who treat Medicare patients would receive "reasonable updates" for the rest of 2010 and all of 2011. In 2012 and 2013, "rates would continue to increase if spending growth on physician services is within reasonable limits."

    While it's not clear how much the rates could be increased, the rates won't be reduced in 2012 and 2013, according to the outline of the bill.

    Primary and preventive care doctors would see an extra, unspecified reimbursement.

    The Congressional Budget Office is currently estimating the cost of the 3.5-year "doc fix."

    But come 2014, physician reimbursements would again be on the chopping block. By then, the amount mandated to be cut under the SGR would be greater than 21%. Each time the cut is pushed down the road, the amount that physicians should be nicked -- according to the formula -- gets bigger and bigger.

    The American Medical Association (AMA), which has long advocated for full repeal of the SGR, said the delay would provide some temporary relief. However, the group's president, James Rohack, MD, said the AMA is "deeply disappointed" that Congress has given up on a permanent fix.

    "Lawmakers must realize that the underlying policy problem will return larger than ever in 2014," Rohack said in a statement. "Future Medicare cuts will severely undermine health system reform initiatives that aim to optimize the quality of patient care as physicians find they cannot afford to participate in Medicare."

    The American College of Cardiology (ACC) echoed similar sentiments.

    "Four years of positive updates will provide physicians with the stability needed, while we look at real ways for true payment reform and eliminating the need for the SGR," said ACC President Ralph Brindis, MD, MPH, in a statement.

    The American Hospital Association (AHA), meanwhile, objected to a provision in the bill that would clarify the so-called "72 Rule," which states that all services provided for Medicare patients within 72 hours of a hospital admission are billed on one claim.

    The bill would prevent hospitals from unbundling those services to receive additional Medicare payments.
    this is what I said - 2014. how did you think Obama "paid for" his healthcare boondoggle of a bill?

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