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    3 2.83%
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    47 44.34%
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    I'd be surprised if there weren't splinter groups protesting capitalism... but the movement was started as a way to protest greed and corruption. And I think most people in this country, and around the world for that matter, would agree America has greed and corruption problems. Hell, show me a country that doesn't have these problems!
    This country is mired in greed and thats whats killing it.

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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexxouellette View Post
    You admit in your response. "Free market-like(interesting choice of words for a right wing libertarian by the way, not that I disapprove of course)/personal responsibility structure. To insinuate that the nature of the problem facing the "middle" and lower e class is due to their own laziness or lack of ambition implies that their position in life is their fault and their fault alone. This movement however is making the statement that it is due to a lack of protection for the American worker and the loosening of corporate regulation which makes it rather difficult except for the lucky few to achieve any sort of stability or success or any real sort of social mobility.
    It is absolutely necessary for our society structured like this. A sort of tough love.

    And I believe it is true that majority of our lives are determined by our choices poor or not. There have been countless of examples of poor people making it big, making it good, okay, and sucking. The individual can ALWAYS make a situation better(unless you are physically tied to a tree or even physically handicapped).

    Happiness isn't governed by money anyway. There are those that choose to work the jobs they do and be the places to be because money isn't what their lives are all about.

    As long as its a government that treats all of us equal and protects our rights as given in by our constitution, people shouldn't have any excuses. The government already gives you what you are entitled too by protecting these. We are not all born equally, its a fact of life.


    I'm a lazy and poor as sh** college student with loans, working at a dining hall for minimum wage, so I would have every benefit to myself(as it is tempting) to be a raving liberal and demand I am entitled to have my loans paid and the jobs I want to have good pay, but on a fundamental level I feel like I would be extremely dishonest with myself. Even if all these things impact me the worse I still think it is the right thing to have.

    As with Corporations and power... there is still the constitution and Tea Partiers are all about it. Corporations can't get so big a powerful to the point where they are obstructing the rights of people and manipulating the government in ways that are unnatural.

    P.S. Im tired I kinda was all over the place lol
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    There are MANY, including myself, who don't want capitalism done away with, we want it fixed.

    In my opinion its an excellent machine for transforming resources into wealth, and much good has come of it.

    But it is inherently concentrative. In a real sense it IS concentration. Takes money to make money.

    The bigger your money pile gets the faster the money pile gets bigger, the less actual "risk" relative to the pile as a whole.

    Its not evil.

    Its amoral.

    It does not care about you.

    It will eat you.

    Like fire. Very useful. Very dangerous.

    But manageable. Domesticable.

    It can be forced to serve those who employ it as opposed to employing those who serve it.

    If everybodys getting fatter at more or less the same pace overall, YMMV, its working for us.

    If a few are getting fatter, and owning more, at a much faster pace, and the many are pretty much not getting fatter AT ALL, its being used on most of us in the process of working for a few of us.

    It needs to return to being OUR economy.

    It needs to return to being OUR capitalism.

    So long story long, I think many more think capitalism is "broken" and needs to be fixed than want to be rid of it.
    Thank you. The conservatives continue to argue for some sort of entirely laissez-faire economy as if it were even possible or desirable. Hoover thought so too.... that worked for him right? They do all this while attempting to convince their constituencies to vote against their own economic self interest, trying to convince them that it's the unions, or consumer protection laws, or worker's right laws, or environmental regulations which are responsible for their lot in life. Those mean liberals always brainwashing people into caring about their own rights.

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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    It is absolutely necessary for our society structured like this. A sort of tough love.

    And I believe it is true that majority of our lives are determined by our choices poor or not. There have been countless of examples of poor people making it big, making it good, okay, and sucking. The individual can ALWAYS make a situation better(unless you are physically tied to a tree or even physically handicapped).

    Happiness isn't governed by money anyway. There are those that choose to work the jobs they do and be the places to be because money isn't what their lives are all about.

    As long as its a government that treats all of us equal and protects our rights as given in by our constitution, people shouldn't have any excuses. The government already gives you what you are entitled too by protecting these. We are not all born equally, its a fact of life.


    I'm a lazy and poor as sh** college student with loans, working at a dining hall for minimum wage, so I would have every benefit to myself(as it is tempting) to be a raving liberal and demand I am entitled to have my loans paid and the jobs I want to have good pay, but on a fundamental level I feel like I would be extremely dishonest with myself. Even if all these things impact me the worse I still think it is the right thing to have.

    As with Corporations and power... there is still the constitution and Tea Partiers are all about it. Corporations can't get so big a powerful to the point where they are obstructing the rights of people and manipulating the government in ways that are unnatural.

    P.S. Im tired I kinda was all over the place lol
    Don't mean to sound like I'm raving or overly angry however the reality of the situation is that 80 percent have less than 10 percent of the nation's wealth. This structural aristocracy is necessary for our society? Tough love, maybe the way God supposedly loved Job.

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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Actually no... there are actually sister protest at my college and they are full of signs stay "Capitalism Is the Problem" and such. And don't worry there are definitely many of those too in the regular protest as well.
    I'd love to see pics of these signs if you have them.
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    There shouldn't be any minimum wage. Anyone what took Econ 1101 would know that. A higher minimum wage would just cause lesson supply of jobs and raise inflation. There should be different ways to stop the super rich from exploiting the system without dropping the incentive for them to make more money...not that difficult of a feat.

    And yes, I see the signs at my own college, T.V, and on the internet. And more then just a few that are clueless and just their to legalize pot(How I met your mother reference, anyone? anyone? ).

    This is just one big mob that anyone who is angry can project their own fantasy outlook on what its about.
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    Ok, let's say they get rid of minimum wage... I'm someone at the bottom of the economic ladder. Just because min. wage is gone, doesn't mean that the vast majority of my bills are going to change: food, rent, and car payments have little to do with the minimum wage. However, now there's downward pressure on my wages. If my bills aren't dropping, but my wages are, how does that help me? It really doesn't.
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    It is absolutely necessary for our society structured like this. A sort of tough love.

    And I believe it is true that majority of our lives are determined by our choices poor or not. There have been countless of examples of poor people making it big, making it good, okay, and sucking. The individual can ALWAYS make a situation better(unless you are physically tied to a tree or even physically handicapped).
    That's a nice view, Pollyanna, but it's way too simple, and it ignores all the things that can go wrong in someone's life, not to mention all the structural problems in our system. Some people can make it good, but it's not guaranteeing that if you work hard you'll make it good.

    Happiness isn't governed by money anyway. There are those that choose to work the jobs they do and be the places to be because money isn't what their lives are all about.
    Money doesn't bring happiness, but try being happy without it. Good luck.

    I'm a lazy and poor as sh** college student with loans, working at a dining hall for minimum wage, so I would have every benefit to myself(as it is tempting) to be a raving liberal and demand I am entitled to have my loans paid and the jobs I want to have good pay, but on a fundamental level I feel like I would be extremely dishonest with myself. Even if all these things impact me the worse I still think it is the right thing to have.
    Why is it dishonest to want to be paid well, and why is it dishonest to want the government to invest in you? If they pay for your loans, you'll make more money and pay more in taxes. It helps them in the long run. Also, does that mean you're getting through college without any government or family help?

    As with Corporations and power... there is still the constitution and Tea Partiers are all about it. Corporations can't get so big a powerful to the point where they are obstructing the rights of people and manipulating the government in ways that are unnatural.
    If you believe that, you have a lot to learn. What's to keep corporations from getting that big? I don't see the Tea Party stopping them.
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Your right and its not about begrudging the rich becoming richer...its about the TEAPARTY blaming everything thats wrong with the country on everything and everyone but the rich and corporations and the PEOPLE dont believe that crap
    The only thing the GOP has to fear from this movement...is that it makes other people aware that theres millions of others that feel the way they do and its ok to tell the teaparty to "F" off with blaming the middleclass and poor for the problem the country is in
    project much, friend?

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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    I don't think anyone has anything to fear yet... maybe sometime in the future, but not yet.

    when/if the WSO gain traction, both the Dems and the GOP would have a lil policy shaping to fear.....
    well, the presupposes that the WSO thing in nonpartisan.. and that has yet to be determined ( hopefully it is, but i kinda doubt it)
    Last edited by Thrilla; 10-09-11 at 07:43 AM.

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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    project much, friend?

    Not as much as you...damn I need to get into charts and stuff

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