View Poll Results: Should the GOP should fear the 99% movement

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  • Absolutely should fear it

    33 31.13%
  • Somewhat fear it

    9 8.49%
  • Fear it a little bit

    3 2.83%
  • Fear it a tiny bit

    3 2.83%
  • Absolutely nothing to fear

    47 44.34%
  • Don't know

    1 0.94%
  • Don't care

    6 5.66%
  • Other (explian)

    4 3.77%
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Why is limiting campaign donations and thus limiting what some falsely call "free speech" a bad thing? I cannot go to my local elementary school on a nice day when the windows are open and stand on the public sidewalk and scream sexually tinged obscenities at the top of my voice. I cannot stand up in a movie theater and began my own political speech. I cannot take out a full page ad in the local newspaper telling lies about people in the community and destroying their reputations.

    Why: because all right have limitations and boundaries.

    And so should big money buying politicians and elections.
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why is limiting campaign donations and thus limiting what some falsely call "free speech" a bad thing? I cannot go to my local elementary school on a nice day when the windows are open and stand on the public sidewalk and scream sexually tinged obscenities at the top of my voice. I cannot stand up in a movie theater and began my own political speech. I cannot take out a full page ad in the local newspaper telling lies about people in the community and destroying their reputations.

    Why: because all right have limitations and boundaries.

    And so should big money buying politicians and elections.
    I can't just march across a bridge blocking traffic.

    I can't sleep in a public park.

    I can't erect a rain structure in a public park.

    I cant block entry to a building.

    Theres lots of limits on free speech.

    So how many of you who are cheering the protesters being arrested blocking traffic on a bridge adamantly defend campaign contributions as free speech which must not be touched?

    Hmmmm?
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    GOP Rep Fears Wall Street Protests

    "Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) is upset at the growing Occupy Wall Street movement and the media's coverage of the nationwide protests. "It's really important for us not to give any legitimacy to these people in the streets," King said on Laura Ingraham's radio show Friday. "I remember what happened in the 1960s when the left-wing took to the streets and somehow the media glorified them and it ended up shaping policy. We can't allow that to happen."

    GOP Rep Fears Wall Street Protests | Drudge Retort
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why is limiting campaign donations and thus limiting what some falsely call "free speech" a bad thing? I cannot go to my local elementary school on a nice day when the windows are open and stand on the public sidewalk and scream sexually tinged obscenities at the top of my voice. I cannot stand up in a movie theater and began my own political speech. I cannot take out a full page ad in the local newspaper telling lies about people in the community and destroying their reputations.
    that's correct - political speech is considered different from obscenity.

    however, if we want to start limiting it, I've got a whole host of issues of the commons arguments in the back of my mind about how public employee unions shouldn't be allowed to participate in politics, any more than active duty members of the military are...

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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    I think that Congressman King already gave us the answer. Kudos to him for that part, at least.

    "..can't let that happen again" referring to letting left-wingers shape policy...
    I bet he's okay with right-wingers shaping our policy though.

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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    GOP Rep Fears Wall Street Protests

    "Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) is upset at the growing Occupy Wall Street movement and the media's coverage of the nationwide protests. "It's really important for us not to give any legitimacy to these people in the streets," King said on Laura Ingraham's radio show Friday. "I remember what happened in the 1960s when the left-wing took to the streets and somehow the media glorified them and it ended up shaping policy. We can't allow that to happen."

    GOP Rep Fears Wall Street Protests | Drudge Retort
    Freedom of speech and assembly is the most important thing in the world when its PROTECTING campaign contributions, but not so much when its PROTESTING campaign contributions.

    Clever, clever protesters.
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by A.Pearce View Post
    I think that Congressman King already gave us the answer. Kudos to him for that part, at least.

    "..can't let that happen again" referring to letting left-wingers shape policy...
    I bet he's okay with right-wingers shaping our policy though.
    well, I would hope he is communicating that we shouldn't let policy be shaped by frustration and mob mentality... in which case I would agree with him.

    but i kinda doubt that's what he is saying...

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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I see, so you can't refute any of the facts.
    I never said I had any plans to refute any of the facts.

    I said your source is superbiased, hence it is a waste of time citing the direct words in your source, because it has no more credibility than you have. is that difficult for you to understand? I'm not going against your numbers.



    Thanks for your opinion.
    That isn't just my opinion. For instance one of the problems in New Zealand for instance, is that people don't invest enough abroad. In Ireland they have taken advantage of having low business taxes to attract rich people. This is making the rest of Europe mad, because rich people are moving their business to ireland. My signature says it best "Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong." Especially in a country like US where the rich pay most of your taxes, it is not a good idea to try to make them move.

    Davos WEF 2011: Wealth inequality is the "most serious challenge for the world"

    "Wealth inequality is the most serious challenge facing the world in the years ahead, senior business figures heard at the World Economic Forum in Davos today.
    And lots of sources say "income inequality is our biggest problem." They belong together. I never said income inequality or wealth inequality is not a problem. I said you have no idea of solving it, and you are using wealth inequality numbers to create a shock effect. Raising taxes are not going to significantly reduce income inequality. Many countries with really high taxation, has high income inequality, and some countries with low taxation has low income inequality.

    You need to look at what factors cause income inequality. Problem is, in America, the left is just doing the blame-game, while the right is ignoring the problem.

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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I propose trickle up taxation.
    why don't you explain that-I will put a towel over my keyboard



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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I never said all the wealth.

    From the study referenced above:

    "The only way to understand finance is to get educated but the cost of that is going up. So you have an enormous serfdom of those who have very little understanding of finance being subjected to the whims of the banking sector. In the end, the banks have managed to calm the masses and numb their ability to reason because what has occurred over the last few years is the greatest wealth transfer in the history of our nation. It didnít take a war or coup but simply happened by pure momentum and sheer inactivity. They system is in a deep capture.

    Even being in the industry does not keep you from buying into the delusional propaganda of Wall Street:

    ďI studied financeÖ I learned about stock investments when I was 18 or 19. I took money that I saved since I was a kid and invested in stocks. It was $10,000. I made it into $80,000 in 2 years in stocks. But I had $150,000 invested because of margin and I lost all of it. Now Iím looking at the real estate market. Iím like, huh. I learned my lesson in the stock market. Should I sell my real estate that has gone up in value by 80 percent?Ē

    This quote was taken at the height of the housing bubble. How many people do you think lost money in the stock market and the real estate bubble? Trillions of dollars were lost yet somehow, the top 1 percent came out ahead. They will argue that they are not as wealthy as before but keep in mind even if you lost money, the cost of other items has also fallen. Money is only as valuable as what you can buy with it. And this tiny group has become all the richer in this crisis. You can now by the yacht for half off while your stock portfolio fell by 15 percent."
    Yawn-rant all you want, when we strip away all the nonsense what is left is a guy who is mad he isn't as rich as he thinks he should be and he wants the government to get even with those who are better off for him



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