View Poll Results: Should the GOP should fear the 99% movement

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  • Absolutely should fear it

    33 31.13%
  • Somewhat fear it

    9 8.49%
  • Fear it a little bit

    3 2.83%
  • Fear it a tiny bit

    3 2.83%
  • Absolutely nothing to fear

    47 44.34%
  • Don't know

    1 0.94%
  • Don't care

    6 5.66%
  • Other (explian)

    4 3.77%
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is a bogus claim

    only taxing the rich more will encourage dem politicians to claim that such tax hikes will raise revenue (not a proven fact) and that will be used to justify more social spending to buy votes
    Can I see your evidence that raising taxes on the rich will not raise revenue? And as to increasing social spending, let's discuss one thing at the time.

    Only taxing the rich more will send a message to everyone else that they aren't required to pay more taxes to deal with the deficit or to pay for the additional spending Obama wants to buy their votes so they will continue to clamor for more government
    I'm not worried about any sort of "message", I'm just looking at whether or not it would help the deficit. More money coming in would certainly help. Every president in the last 30 years has tried to lower tax rates on the wealthy, and we're not exactly working with a booming economy here.

    the only way to stop the deficit increasing is for the majority of America to demand less spending and that is far less likely to happen when only 1-3% of America is tasked with more taxes

    of course "shared sacrifice" of everyone paying more taxes-ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO DON'T PAY FOR WHAT THEY USE AND WANT NOW" is gonna cost politicians votes
    Raising taxes on the lower rung of the ladder won't really raise enough taxes to make a credible dent in the problem. Letting the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire, on the other hand, would do plenty.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the people who have "huge tax breaks" are people who have full citizenship rights yet pay ZERO income taxes

    and you aren't hurt by someone else only paying 300K a year in taxes rather than 400K

    you still get a far lower tax bill than you should pay because someone like me pays too much
    Out of curiousity, how did you become so wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    are you saying they have zero dollars available?

    If you cannot afford more taxes maybe you should demand LESS GOVERNMENT rather than demanding others pay for stuff you think you need.

    The rich pay far more than they should

    based on what they use
    and their share of the income

    you want a system where everyone but the rich are encouraged to demand more government
    I disagree. Look at the "Buffet Rule" as its being called. The rich often have their money from sources like investments which yield much lower taxes than straight income. If you pay less than your secretary, there's a problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    No you are being dishonest

    we have not had that scenario so you cannot possibly claim that at all
    Ah yes, trickle-down economics: the philosophy that if you feed the ox enough oats, there will be some left over for the sparrows.


    Every president we've between 1980 and 2008 supported trickle-down economics, and our economy is in tatters.




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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I expect the middle class to stop being addicted to the milk government feeds them from the public teat but rather they go out and do some hunting on their own
    The government's boobies are reserved for the rich, dammit!

    Working class = does all the real work in this country. If it weren't for us, the rich wouldn't be rich. We build it, we buy it, they get all the money.


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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Thats not how money works. There isn't some fixed supply to be divided up like a pie, to some at the expense of others. A productive person ceasing to work helps no one, and costs many people jobs.



    Well you're wrong, that Billionaire can do more for the economy than 10 millionaires can.



    I'm glad yours is not the majority position, what an awful country that would be. I'm glad Richard Branson can have so many businesses and employ others. What troubles me about you is that you're the type who would keep the poor poorer so long as the rich don't get any richer. No matter how well the rich have done these past decades, the poor are better off too.
    I'm curious, how exactly is one billionaire better than 1,000 millionaires?
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    well of course you say that.
    winners are working, the losers are boohooing

    if all those clowns were to be evaporated tomorrow, I doubt America would suffer in the least



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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The government's boobies are reserved for the rich, dammit!

    Working class = does all the real work in this country. If it weren't for us, the rich wouldn't be rich. We build it, we buy it, they get all the money.
    Yeah keep believing that nonsense



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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I expect people to aspire to greatness, not to be content with scraps.
    Your comment reminds me of the story of Lazarus and the rich man.( Luke16:21-28)

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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Can you explain to me how that works? It seems counter-intuitive: raise taxes on people, and they'll pay more taxes. I understand that it's possible to harm people through that, but the wealthy are not even close to that point. Even raising taxes to what they were under Reagan would help. We're well to the left of the Laffer curve.
    What raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations does is make it very attractive to re-invest their gross profits into development and more manufacturing to reduce the amount of taxable income (net profit is gross profit - cost of doing business). Giving them a lower tax rate reduces this incentive. This is why I favor raising the taxes on the groups in question. It has nothing to do with wanting a free ride, suckling the government teat or any of the other nonsense several posters try to say is behind every people who favors this.
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    winners are working, the losers are boohooing

    if all those clowns were to be evaporated tomorrow, I doubt America would suffer in the least
    That's a lot of Americans you are selectively choosing to hate there.
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I expect the middle class to stop being addicted to the milk government feeds them from the public teat but rather they go out and do some hunting on their own
    Just for a laugh, read that sentence from MY perspective. Then think Aerosmith.
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    Re: Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Can you explain to me how that works? It seems counter-intuitive: raise taxes on people, and they'll pay more taxes. I understand that it's possible to harm people through that, but the wealthy are not even close to that point. Even raising taxes to what they were under Reagan would help. We're well to the left of the Laffer curve.
    please please please don't buy into that joke known as the Laffer Curve.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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