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    Re: What do you think about immigration?

    Those Mexicans that do not want to apply for a Green Card (work permit).
    Or apply for a American Citizenship, well there is only one thing left.

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    Re: What do you think about immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by imsvensk View Post
    I am conducting a short survey regarding politics. Feel free to explain your reasoning for your answers.

    1. Do you think that the number of legal immigrants permitted into the US, which is 800,000 a year, is too high or too low?
    (Too high/Too low)
    I think it is about right. The U.S. is a large and diverse country and bringing in people legally who have know-how and an ability to work have long been a net benefit to the country.

    2. Do you think illegal immigration is a problem?
    (Yes/No)
    Yes, a serious one. It could be managed a lot better. Work visas are one possible solution, but there are logistical issues to be worked out there, especially given the 14th amendment to the Constitution

    3. Do you think that illegal immigrants are a burden or are of benefit to society?
    (They are a burden/They are of benefit)
    Not such a simple question. They are an enforcement burden, but most illegal immigrants work very hard. Doesn't make it right, but one shouldn't ignore that basic fact, either.

    4. Do you feel that an illegal immigrant student who is planning to graduate from college should be given a visa in order to finish college or should be deported?
    (Given a visa/Should be deported)
    No. Deported.

    5. Rate how you feel the Obama Administration is handling the issue of immigration.
    (Very Well/Well/Poorly/Very Poorly/Don't Know)
    About as poorly as most recent presidents. Very poorly. Going after states like AZ who actually want to enforce existing immigration laws and not going after so-called Sancturary Cities, which openly flout it, is the wrong message to send.
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    Re: What do you think about immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Going after states like AZ who actually want to enforce existing immigration laws and not going after so-called Sancturary Cities, which openly flout it, is the wrong message to send.
    Sanctuary cities don't "openly flout" anything. If the federal government wants to arrest an illegal immigrant here in DC, our city government isn't going to try to stop them. That doesn't mean that we have to cooperate with them or enforce their silly laws.
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    Re: What do you think about immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    ...About as poorly as most recent presidents. Very poorly. Going after states like AZ who actually want to enforce existing immigration laws and not going after so-called Sancturary Cities, which openly flout it, is the wrong message to send.
    Amen to that. You're absolutely right.

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    Re: What do you think about immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Sanctuary cities don't "openly flout" anything. If the federal government wants to arrest an illegal immigrant here in DC, our city government isn't going to try to stop them. That doesn't mean that we have to cooperate with them or enforce their silly laws.
    Why would anyone think local governments would do anything to help enforce Federal law? That's absurd!

    It reminds me of an assault I witnessed last month. A guy was getting the tar beat out of him by 3 other guys. The guy getting abused looked kinda weird to me, and, I've always thought weirdos should get pummeled anyway. So I offered to hold their drinks while they beat him senseless. Later that night, the cops tried to tell me I should've called for help, but I told them that I don't have to cooperate with local government or enforce their silly laws. Cops are sooo ridiculous!
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    Re: What do you think about immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    Why would anyone think local governments would do anything to help enforce Federal law? That's absurd!

    It reminds me of an assault I witnessed last month. A guy was getting the tar beat out of him by 3 other guys. The guy getting abused looked kinda weird to me, and, I've always thought weirdos should get pummeled anyway. So I offered to hold their drinks while they beat him senseless. Later that night, the cops tried to tell me I should've called for help, but I told them that I don't have to cooperate with local government or enforce their silly laws. Cops are sooo ridiculous!
    lolwut

    States and cities are under no obligation to enforce federal laws unless the federal law in question specifically mandates it (which immigration law does not, to the best of my knowledge). If the feds want to harass immigrants here in DC, they can do it their goddamned selves without the cooperation of our city council. Why should we spend our city's tax dollars fighting something that our voters have determined isn't even a problem? If it's a problem for the federal government, then they can solve it.
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    Re: What do you think about immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    lolwut

    States and cities are under no obligation to enforce federal laws unless the federal law in question specifically mandates it (which immigration law does not, to the best of my knowledge). If the feds want to harass immigrants here in DC, they can do it their goddamned selves without the cooperation of our city council. Why should we spend our city's tax dollars fighting something that our voters have determined isn't even a problem? If it's a problem for the federal government, then they can solve it.
    Out of curiosity, when and how did voters determine that illegal immigration is not a problem in DC?

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    Re: What do you think about immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Out of curiosity, when and how did voters determine that illegal immigration is not a problem in DC?
    We elected a mayor and city council, which appointed a Metro Police Chief who enacted this policy:
    April 20, 2007
    MPD [Metropolitan Police Department] officers are strictly prohibited from making inquiries into citizenship or residency status for the purpose of determining whether an individual has violated the civil immigration laws or for the purpose of enforcing those laws…the MPD is not in the business of inquiring about the residency status of the people we serve and is not in the business of enforcing civil immigration laws.

    MPD Policy on Immigration Enforcement - Statements - Metropolitan Police Department
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    Re: What do you think about immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by imsvensk View Post
    I am conducting a short survey regarding politics. Feel free to explain your reasoning for your answers.

    1. Do you think that the number of legal immigrants permitted into the US, which is 800,000 a year, is too high or too low?
    (Too high/Too low)
    Probably about right. We need to be more concerned about the quality of immigrants than the quantity. Give us your engineers, your doctors, your physicists and chemists. Keep you huddled masses, as we already have plenty.

    Quote Originally Posted by imsvensk View Post
    2. Do you think illegal immigration is a problem?
    (Yes/No)
    Would you think it would be a problem for you if just anyone decided to drop in to your house, uninvited, maybe go through your refrigerator, help themselves to a beer or two, and hang out in your easy chair?

    Yes, it's a problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by imsvensk View Post
    3. Do you think that illegal immigrants are a burden or are of benefit to society?
    (They are a burden/They are of benefit)
    A little of both.

    When people just sneak in to the country, there's no way of knowing who is here to work and contribute, and who's a drug runner, gang banger or whatever. check my people inviting themselves to your house analogy. It's the same thing: A legal immigrant is a guest. An illegal immigrant is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by imsvensk View Post
    4. Do you feel that an illegal immigrant student who is planning to graduate from college should be given a visa in order to finish college or should be deported?
    (Given a visa/Should be deported)
    Should have to go back to his country of origin and apply for admittance legally. some of the kids have been here since they were small children. Some don't even speak the language of the old country any more.


    Quote Originally Posted by imsvensk View Post
    5. Rate how you feel the Obama Administration is handling the issue of immigration.
    (Very Well/Well/Poorly/Very Poorly/Don't Know)
    about as well as every administration since Reagan, whose tenure was worse as they passed an amnesty bill.



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    Re: What do you think about immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    We elected a mayor and city council, which appointed a Metro Police Chief who enacted this policy:
    So the voters themselves never passed a referendum that illegal immigrants weren't a problem. They simply voted for politicians who appointed a police chief who personally decided that they weren't a problem. Gotcha.

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