View Poll Results: What weapons should be legal for civilians to own?

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  • No firearms at all

    2 5.13%
  • Non-automatic rifles and shotguns

    27 69.23%
  • handguns

    33 84.62%
  • fully automatic weapons

    26 66.67%
  • military-grade explosives (hand grenades, mines, etc.)

    7 17.95%
  • Any man-portable weapon in use by the military

    8 20.51%
  • Military vehicles and vehicle-mounted weapons (tanks, jets, etc.)

    5 12.82%
  • No restrictions on civilian weapon ownership at all (up to and including nuclear)

    3 7.69%
  • Other (please explain)

    3 7.69%
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Thread: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

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    What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    The thread up on civilians owning fully automatic firearms has me curious. I know we have some very strong supporters of 2nd amendment rights here on the board, and I'm curious how far some of you think the protection of the 2nd amendment extends. What weapons do you believe it should be legal for civilians to own?
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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    The thread up on civilians owning fully automatic firearms has me curious. I know we have some very strong supporters of 2nd amendment rights here on the board, and I'm curious how far some of you think the protection of the 2nd amendment extends. What weapons do you believe it should be legal for civilians to own?
    The Supreme Court has held that the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is protected for 1.) self defense and 2.) so that the government can't disable the citizen's militia and in so doing enable a standing army to rule. It has allowed regulation of some weapons, such as sawed off shotguns, using the thinking that they are not commonly associated with home defense or practical for militia use.

    If I use the same thought process, I think the right itself applies to handguns, rifles, shotguns, and many automatic weapons. When you include much more than that (explosives, rocket launchers, nuclear weapons, etc.) then I think you're into full scale war (military) not militia. I think it's right to expect a normal citizen to be able to show up on short notice in order to help in militia service with his own handgun, rifle, or machine gun, etc. But all out military service would be supplied differently.

    However, I do think it's possible that some of the more serious items should be allowed with registration if it can be proved that the registrant is trained and has a legitimate need for the items to be in his/her possession - much like the sawed-off shotgun. In my mind, it's obvious that the criteria would get more difficult to meet as the potential for destruction becomes more difficult to contain.
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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    I think the entire amendment needs to be rewritten to address the obvious change in reality that's taken place since the late 1700s. Back then owning a firearm meant owning a single shot musket which even the most skilled hands took up to 20 seconds to reload, the Founding Fathers didn't have to worry about things like mass murder or the potential killing power a single weapon could give a single person because the technology didn't exist.

    Now how it can be written I don't know, but it definitely deserves a serious dialogue where compromises will have to be made by all concerned.

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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    I feel like we've had this discussion and only Agent Ferris advocated for private ownership of nukes.
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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I feel like we've had this discussion and only Agent Ferris advocated for private ownership of nukes.
    It would be impossible anyway unless you have a billion or so dollars to spend anyway. Who would actually buy one and who sell a product that has no consumer base? If someone was that rich would they really be buying nukes? I doubt it.

    Unless I have no idea what I'm talking about it's an empty fear.
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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It would be impossible anyway unless you have a billion or so dollars to spend anyway. Who would actually buy one and who sell a product that has no consumer base? If someone was that rich would they really be buying nukes? I doubt it.

    Unless I have no idea what I'm talking about it's an empty fear.
    I can think of a few people who would buy a nuclear weapon if they were available on the market

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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I can think of a few people who would buy a nuclear weapon if they were available on the market
    Who? Are they countries that just get them anyway? Terrorists? Who?

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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Who? Are they countries that just get them anyway? Terrorists? Who?
    I think the leaders of Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India, China, Russia, France, North Korea, probably a few others would be interested in purchasing them. Of course they couldn't do it directly, but 3rd party purchasing and smuggling are nothing new.

    In fact having the individual freedom to purchase a nuke, which again you say you would never use anyway, would actually be a greater threat to your freedoms since so many would be after US nuclear weapon technology

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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I think the leaders of Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India, China, Russia, France, North Korea, probably a few others would be interested in purchasing them. Of course they couldn't do it directly, but 3rd party purchasing and smuggling are nothing new.

    In fact having the individual freedom to purchase a nuke, which again you say you would never use anyway, would actually be a greater threat to your freedoms since so many would be after US nuclear weapon technology
    All those countries could get them today. Even terrorists can get them if they really wanted them. Making something illegal doesn't stop criminals from getting it.

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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Even terrorists can get them if they really wanted them.
    Well they do really want them... and they haven't got them. (Not to say they MIGHT not eventually get them anyway).

    You're a little slow off the mark aren't you?

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