View Poll Results: What weapons should be legal for civilians to own?

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  • No firearms at all

    2 5.13%
  • Non-automatic rifles and shotguns

    27 69.23%
  • handguns

    33 84.62%
  • fully automatic weapons

    26 66.67%
  • military-grade explosives (hand grenades, mines, etc.)

    7 17.95%
  • Any man-portable weapon in use by the military

    8 20.51%
  • Military vehicles and vehicle-mounted weapons (tanks, jets, etc.)

    5 12.82%
  • No restrictions on civilian weapon ownership at all (up to and including nuclear)

    3 7.69%
  • Other (please explain)

    3 7.69%
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Thread: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Billion? What makes you think it's that high? No one is advocating MAKING your own nuke. You simply buy an existing one. Furthermore, have you seen the state of Russian finances? Not to mention how poorly their military is paid? The same military who guards the nukes?
    To me, the state has the right to keep their property. The only nukes the private sector would have claim to is the ones they built themselves.

    As for the price I was guessing, but I still don't consider them something people could afford to build or sell.

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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    What it means is that the constitution is obsolete in a lot of ways. It needs to be updated.
    What it really means is people are scared of what it says, not that constitution is outdated.

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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What it really means is people are scared of what it says, not that constitution is outdated.
    Yeah. I am scared of the idea of some idiot running around with an anti tank gun that can blow up your house. I think the founding fathers would agree that that's probably not such a great idea.
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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Besides, number of machine guns that have ever been used in a felony is negligible. You want a dangerous weapon that any idiot can get his hands on, buy a car.
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    44,000 auto deaths in the US in 2007 (131 suicide) - 400,000 from 1999 to 2007. In 2007 the firearm (all firearms) related deaths was about 30,000, but 17,000 of those were suicides. Only 600 or so were accidental.

    44,000 accidental deaths vs. 13,000 intentional deaths - the car is the ultimate weapon for the idiots. And, it's the weapon most likely to be used against you and I.

    Of course, most people don't need their gun to get to work everyday (depending on what neighborhood they live in).
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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Yeah. I am scared of the idea of some idiot running around with an anti tank gun that can blow up your house. I think the founding fathers would agree that that's probably not such a great idea.
    The Founders did not pass any law against civilians of their day owning a muzzle-loading cannon, the most powerful weapon of the time, which could certainly blow your house apart. We've been over this.


    Pragmatically speaking, I'm okay with unusually heavy weapons being restricted somewhat... which they ARE already. License and background and storage requirements and subject to unannounced inspections of same.... these heavier weapons are mostly just rich men's play-toys and show-pieces, not something Bubba has in his garage. To my knowlege there's never been a case of someone who owned a cannon or anti-tank gun or other heavy weapon using it unlawfully in the past 45 years... that should tell you something: ie that it isn't an actual problem.
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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Anything that qualifies as a gun.
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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The Founders did not pass any law against civilians of their day owning a muzzle-loading cannon, the most powerful weapon of the time, which could certainly blow your house apart. We've been over this.


    Pragmatically speaking, I'm okay with unusually heavy weapons being restricted somewhat... which they ARE already. License and background and storage requirements and subject to unannounced inspections of same.... these heavier weapons are mostly just rich men's play-toys and show-pieces, not something Bubba has in his garage. To my knowlege there's never been a case of someone who owned a cannon or anti-tank gun or other heavy weapon using it unlawfully in the past 45 years... that should tell you something: ie that it isn't an actual problem.
    Wow, this thread has actually changed my view on it. Anybody who wants any weapon should be able to get it, as long as the process to get it is insane and requires you to be a perfect citizen. IE, you have to have background checks, interviews with FBI, lie detector test, etc etc. Although, this makes it only so the rich can get these weapons and not the poor.... Class Warfare anybody?

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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Wow, this thread has actually changed my view on it. Anybody who wants any weapon should be able to get it, as long as the process to get it is insane and requires you to be a perfect citizen. IE, you have to have background checks, interviews with FBI, lie detector test, etc etc. Although, this makes it only so the rich can get these weapons and not the poor.... Class Warfare anybody?



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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post



    I need an aspirin, teenagers give me a headache....
    Let me clarify, I was referring to automatic rifles and up. Although, I do agree with the current regulations on handguns.

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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Let me clarify, I was referring to automatic rifles and up. Although, I do agree with the current regulations on handguns.

    What regulations? You realize that regs on handguns, and other guns, vary dramatically from state to state...

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