View Poll Results: What weapons should be legal for civilians to own?

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  • No firearms at all

    2 5.13%
  • Non-automatic rifles and shotguns

    27 69.23%
  • handguns

    33 84.62%
  • fully automatic weapons

    26 66.67%
  • military-grade explosives (hand grenades, mines, etc.)

    7 17.95%
  • Any man-portable weapon in use by the military

    8 20.51%
  • Military vehicles and vehicle-mounted weapons (tanks, jets, etc.)

    5 12.82%
  • No restrictions on civilian weapon ownership at all (up to and including nuclear)

    3 7.69%
  • Other (please explain)

    3 7.69%
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Thread: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Not even I go that far. Frankly, I'm not entirely convinced that national governments should be allowed to own nukes.

    On the other hand, if one man can carry it and fire it directly without killing himself in the process, I think any man should be allowed to own it.

    I know a guy who actually got to play with that bazooka-like portable Tac-Nuke launcher they used to have back in the 70's. He said the instruction manual was hilarious: "Operator is advised to take cover immediately after firing." No ****, Sherlock??

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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    The thread up on civilians owning fully automatic firearms has me curious. I know we have some very strong supporters of 2nd amendment rights here on the board, and I'm curious how far some of you think the protection of the 2nd amendment extends. What weapons do you believe it should be legal for civilians to own?
    Civilians should be able to get their hands on what ever the military can get and there should be no restrictions. Some of the reasons the second amendment exist are to protect the people from the government and for the people to overthrow the government if it became too tyrannical. Therefore the government has no business trying to infringe on people's rights to keep and bear arms.

    Technically Tanks and Jets are vehicles not weapons, its the stuff on them that are weapons.
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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It would be impossible anyway unless you have a billion or so dollars to spend anyway. Who would actually buy one and who sell a product that has no consumer base? If someone was that rich would they really be buying nukes? I doubt it.

    Unless I have no idea what I'm talking about it's an empty fear.
    Billion? What makes you think it's that high? No one is advocating MAKING your own nuke. You simply buy an existing one. Furthermore, have you seen the state of Russian finances? Not to mention how poorly their military is paid? The same military who guards the nukes?
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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Who (over 200 years ago) could of predicted our current weapons we have today, for starters. They couldn't so therefore the constitution has no say on the matter. How does a vehicle mounted weapon help you defend your home? and for that matter, from who!?

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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Who (over 200 years ago) could of predicted our current weapons we have today, for starters. They couldn't so therefore the constitution has no say on the matter. How does a vehicle mounted weapon help you defend your home? and for that matter, from who!?
    These guys:

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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Apparently some crazy guns are legal btw.

    The 40mm Machine Gun!!! - YouTube

    This guy lives in Alabama or Arkansas. Cant remember which.

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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    While I believe that automatic weapons should be legal to own, I would like to see a more thorough background check done to legally own that type of weapon. My reasoning is that the amount of harm that can be done with such a weapon (mass shootings like VA tech) justifies a more careful background check for mental health issues before someone gets an automatic weapon. Personally, I think a person's insurance records should be accessible for this purpose.

    Items like laws rockets, missiles, grenades have no business being available to anyone other than the military IMO.
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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    While I believe that automatic weapons should be legal to own, I would like to see a more thorough background check done to legally own that type of weapon. My reasoning is that the amount of harm that can be done with such a weapon (mass shootings like VA tech) justifies a more careful background check for mental health issues before someone gets an automatic weapon. Personally, I think a person's insurance records should be accessible for this purpose.

    Items like laws rockets, missiles, grenades have no business being available to anyone other than the military IMO.
    Thats basically my stance on the subject except I also believe you should have to take a weapons safety course for fully automatic weapons.

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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Why has my post been ignored:

    Who (over 200 years ago) could of predicted our current weapons we have today, for starters. They couldn't so therefore the constitution has no say on the matter. How does a vehicle mounted weapon help you defend your home? and for that matter, from who!?

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    Re: What is protected under the 2nd amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Why has my post been ignored:

    Because I went out to dinner and a movie with some people and just got back in.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Who (over 200 years ago) could of predicted our current weapons we have today, for starters. They couldn't so therefore the constitution has no say on the matter. How does a vehicle mounted weapon help you defend your home? and for that matter, from who!?

    Yeah, we've seen this argument before.

    At the time the BoR was written, the most sophisticated weapon was the flintlock rifle with the rifled bore, enabling a skilled rifleman to kill out to 200 yards. I expect some folks felt that such a deadly weapon shouldn't be in civilian hands... indeed some Brit officers during the Rev-War complained about American sharpshooters targeting officers, which was Not Done in their book.
    The most powerful weapons were muzzle-loading black-powder cannons... and it was perfectly legal for private citizens to own them. One of those, loaded with grapeshot or chain-shot, could be fired into a crowd killing dozens.
    Private citizens could own a sailing ship and arm it with as many cannons as they pleased, effectively making it a private frigate (warship). If they were so inclined, they could use that private frigate to pirate, raid and plunder.

    The Founders didn't seem overly concerned with these weapons, trusting that the majority of citizens would use them wisely and prudently and lawfully... and that the few that didn't would either find themselves on the wrong end of law officers or outraged (and armed) fellow citizens.

    Clearly they believed that the citizenry (the Unorganized Militia, I have Founder quotes if you need them) should have rough parity with the Regular Army and Select Militia in terms of arms.

    Now, to further explain why your point is not the trump-card, I will express it differently with a different Amendment.... the First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    "But the Founders could not have concieved of a time when Muslim extremism would threaten the country! Or how media would diversify to the point that any idiot commentator with a microphone and a radio station or a blog could say crazy stuff and agitate people and feed them wrong information! They couldn't have concieved how the Internet would make flash-mobs possible, or allow groups to lobby the government with email spam! So the First Amendment doesn't really apply to all that stuff, just the religions they had back then, and media printed on real paper!"

    See how ridiculous it is?

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