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    Steve Jobs: Angel or Asshole?

    Personally I believe Steve Jobs was cruel. He had sweatshops in China were many child workers died of exhaustion or starvation, because of the working conditions and wages.

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    Re: Steve Jobs: Angel or Asshole?

    Although all of the above is true, I'm sure Steve Jobs has done things that have made you and my life better. I think we all can agree that apple has changed technology, and the world in some way.
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    Re: Steve Jobs: Angel or Asshole?

    Steve Jobs was a capitalist. He took advantage of the laws he could, obeyed the ones he had to. He is neither angle nor devil.
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    Re: Steve Jobs: Angel or Asshole?

    Both. Gawker posted an exchange where he was real nice about asking for the iPhone prototype back, but at the same time Jobs was known for being a bit tyrannical.
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    Re: Steve Jobs: Angel or Asshole?

    He was a man with all fallacies. Not an angel. Not an asshole. He was a human being that made mistakes, took advantage, was a genius, was not very nice, was fair, was unfair. Now he's dead.

    Shrug.

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    Re: Steve Jobs: Angel or Asshole?

    What totally uncalled for post, that I find offensive.

    Have you never heard that you don't disrespect the dead?

    Jobs was a tough task master and he built an empire from nothing making a great number of people very wealthy.

    Have some respect and leave the dead alone.

    Besides if you are Christian and manage to go to Heaven you don't become and angel, your spirit just exists on another plane.

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    Re: Steve Jobs: Angel or Asshole?

    He was neither one. He was just a person, with all the flaws and strengths inherent in being human.
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    Re: Steve Jobs: Angel or Asshole?

    Quote Originally Posted by Confucius View Post
    Personally I believe Steve Jobs was cruel. He had sweatshops in China were many child workers died of exhaustion or starvation, because of the working conditions and wages.
    I tend to say asshole, for his asshole-like business practices, for his asshole-like personality, for his asshole-like behavior, and his opposition against Korean tech companies (again, my nationalism).
    However, he was a genius and changed the world, I have to admit that.
    Overall, bit of an asshole, certainly better than many people
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    Re: Steve Jobs: Angel or Asshole?

    Quote Originally Posted by Confucius View Post
    Personally I believe Steve Jobs was cruel. He had sweatshops in China were many child workers died of exhaustion or starvation, because of the working conditions and wages.
    Unless we're talking about literal slavery (people being dragged off to work in factories), those people chose to work there. In preference to anything else they might have done. Let's suppose that Steve Jobs never amounted to anything, and as a result those sweatshops were never set up. The people that would have otherwise worked there are now worse off, because if a sweatshop wasn't the best option available to them, why would they choose to get a job there? Not only that, but us capitalists pigs here in the US of A don't get our goods at Wal-Mart prices. Everybody loses!

    Yes, by our standards, sweatshops are pretty horrible. But if people in the third world are voluntarily working there, their alternatives must be even worse. Why do people want sweatshops criminalized?

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    Re: Steve Jobs: Angel or Asshole?

    The OP post is overly simplistic and uneducated ... but I do believe Jobs had to have been an asshole to be as successful has he was. You don't get where he was and accomplish the things he did with his company both before he was fired by the board and after he was brought back, by being a nice guy. I think the board recognized that after they fired him - yes he's may have been a task master, yes he was a perfectionist, yes he was a lot of things but at the end of the day, he revolutionized by design and technology as well as the how that technology was delivered, much of how we use cell phones, entertainment devices and phones into something else. Everyone followed where he led... history will be kind to him for his accomplishment and I don't begrudge the guy the decisions and actions he had to take to create his vision and make it a reality.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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