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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Sorry to hear that. I'll have to cross VA off my list of "places I might ever move to".
    We Virginians are allowed to open carry and if you're a law abiding citizen, you can get a concealed carry permit, but in reality you are not supposed to use that same weapon to defend yourself.

    A friend of mine was a grocery store owner, who lived across the street from his store. His wife heard glass break, so he retrieved his Glock 21 (.45 cal) and ran to confront the burglar. He saw the guy through the window, and he looked like he had something in his hand. My friend ducked behind a wall and ordered him to put his hands up. Instead, the guy made threatening motions. My friend fired from outside the store through the window and killed the guy outright. The problem was the guy didn't have a gun, was inside the store, and all he had in his hand was a pocket knife. The police came, questioned him profusely and then confiscated his weapon. He wasn't arrested, but he spent several months wandering whether he would be charged with murder. He was finally exonerated by the Commonwealth's Attorney. That may be because we live in a predominantly rural environment where it takes time for the police to respond, and my friend was engaged in a quick-second decision whether to fire or not to fire against a criminal with a long record.. In other towns in Virginia, my friend might be doing time for defending his store. It just depends on the prosecutor.
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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Semantics and 'most' don't cut it, pal.




    It doesn't say small arms or Non-WMDs in the second amendment. Right? You gun buyers and shooters of cans always complain about what is and is not in the wording of the second amendment.

    You love to accuse SCOTUS of overstepping when they inconvenience you, when you have to fill out paperwork to buy another gun you'll NEVER fire at an actual person. So let's follow YOUR LOGIC...

    Why then can Americans own a weapon designed specifically to mass murder a crowed room (full-auto) but they can not own an ARM specifically designed to murder a crowded building or town? Is it just a question of numbers? Isn't mass murder, mass murder?

    (let the gun boys chew on that one)

    I personally don't care to shoot cans. When I do, they invariably fly off way away from where I'm shooting, and I have to run around looking for them, almost like playing golf. So, I use the drawing module in Microsoft Word and make my own round targets, about the size of a man's head. Then I know, I will always hit my target when I center mass him. Remember those famous lines in The Patriot? "Aim small, miss small."

    Here's something to chew on. Americans aren't allowed to own fully-automatic weapons. That law was passed way back in the 1930's. Now if an American wants to really own a fully-automatic weapon, he will have to buy a Federal Firearms license and pays hundreds of dollars just for that right, plus undergo heavy scrutiny by the BATF. Of course, he can always be a Hollywood producer and then get many fully automatic weapons if he wants to make a movie.
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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Vote on whether you think any American not convicted of a violent crime should have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle like an AK-47 or an M-16.
    Yes. I think they should be allowed to own them; carefully registered and ballistics checked. I do not think that the owner of such a gun should be allowed to sell it on the secondary market. If the gun is used in a violent crime and someone is shot with it, then I think the owner of the gun should be held civilly and criminally responsible.

    Being able to sell these guns at gun shows in states where licensing is not required should be outlawed by Federal law. After all is said and done, if these guns fall into the wrong hands, they are very dangerous...to other citizens and to law enforcement.

    I'd also add that the definition of a "dangerous" automatic weapon probably needs to be tightened.
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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    What about ammunition, do people here think people should be able to buy tracer rounds, hollow point, etc etc?

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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes. I think they should be allowed to own them; carefully registered and ballistics checked. I do not think that the owner of such a gun should be allowed to sell it on the secondary market. If the gun is used in a violent crime and someone is shot with it, then I think the owner of the gun should be held civilly and criminally responsible.

    Being able to sell these guns at gun shows in states where licensing is not required should be outlawed by Federal law. After all is said and done, if these guns fall into the wrong hands, they are very dangerous...to other citizens and to law enforcement.

    I'd also add that the definition of a "dangerous" automatic weapon probably needs to be tightened.
    I just wanted to inquire about your part about the owner being responsible. What if the gun was stolen?
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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    I just wanted to inquire about your part about the owner being responsible. What if the gun was stolen?
    Case-by-case basis, I'd say. Was a police report made? How does it read? Were they stored securely? Out of sight? Heck, maybe we should require that people with automatic weapons store them unassembled and separate. As I think about it, maybe the law should require that they purchase liability insurance for just such instances.

    If there's civil unrest, people are entitled to be able to defend themselves. In the nightmare scenerio, law enforcement would be woefully inadequate and too late to the party to help an individual. That's what these weapons are for...certainly not for hunting. Along with ownership of these deadly weapons should come awesome responsibility.
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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Heck, maybe we should require that people with automatic weapons store them unassembled and separate. As I think about it, maybe the law should require that they purchase liability insurance for just such instances.
    Then why would you need an assault rifle?

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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes. I think they should be allowed to own them; carefully registered and ballistics checked. I do not think that the owner of such a gun should be allowed to sell it on the secondary market. If the gun is used in a violent crime and someone is shot with it, then I think the owner of the gun should be held civilly and criminally responsible.

    Being able to sell these guns at gun shows in states where licensing is not required should be outlawed by Federal law. After all is said and done, if these guns fall into the wrong hands, they are very dangerous...to other citizens and to law enforcement.

    I'd also add that the definition of a "dangerous" automatic weapon probably needs to be tightened.

    You're drastically overestimating the "dangerousness" of selective-fire military rifles, like the M16, which are not actual machine guns.


    As for actual full auto weapons, like mounted machine guns, they're already heavily regulated under Class III.

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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    You're drastically overestimating the "dangerousness" of selective-fire military rifles, like the M16, which are not actual machine guns.
    You don't find M16's dangerous?

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