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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    If you gave civilians the right to own fully automatic weapons, more innocent police would start dieing in droves.

    I will also add, if you are so paranoid that you need a fully automatic assault rifle to defend yourself, I don't want you to have a gun.

    Nonsense. Automatic weapons are far from impossible to obtain, yet their use by criminals is negligible. Nor are they necessarily so damn deadly as some think.

    My Class III vest can stop bullets from a typical submachinegun, like an Uzi, no problem. A 30-06 bolt-action deer rifle will go right thru my vest like it isn't there and kill the **** out of me in between.


    I'm an American, and bearing arms is a Constitutional right: I don't have to have a "reason" to have an autofiring weapon other than "I want one", and the only qualifications I need are "I'm not a felon or a nutter."
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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

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    Yes, of course.


    Ya know, for a liberal, you're all right in my book.

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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    There's no doubt about that, but in terms of destroying a homegrown insurgent force that actually gives a **** about its families, you attack their homes and families. That really doesn't work against Islamists though.
    Government men have homes and families, too. They might be able to protect the homes of the men who give the orders, but they'll never be able to cover everyone who carries them out.

    I care about my family, but I also recognize that the only real leverage I have in dealing with anyone in power is my capacity for escalation. If I'm always willing to go further than they are, and they always have more to lose than I do, then I am always capable of hurting them infinitely more than they are capable of hurting me. Sometimes, reminding everyone what's really on the table does more to keep the conversation civilized than any amount of false diplomacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    My main issue is with the idea that we can absolve ourselves of watching over our government to ensure it doesn't get corrupt on the basis that we can always overthrow it via force. It's kind of like thinking that 500 pounds of cure is a superior choice to 1 nano-gram of prevention. It's clearly the superior choice to ensure that our government doesn't get that corrupt by ensure the people are a check on it in its various processes. But the whole "guns are needed to overthrow the corrupt government" just seems to toss that out the window.
    It may be a little more sophisticated than most of the people making the argument, but it really comes down to Jefferson's assertion that the government should fear the people. The constant threat of armed insurrection isn't a substitute for preventing the government from becoming corrupt, it's a part of the strategy to keeping it from becoming so. Constant vigilance keeps rogue individuals in line, but the only thing that can keep institutional organizations in check is the threat of MAD.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    But that's not what the topic is. Using an AK in automatic is a sign of a real bad hunter.
    Hell yeah it is. First and foremost, it indicates a hunter who has no idea why in the Hell he's shooting at an animal that could easily kill him.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Nah. Baseball bat. No need to reload. Plus it's a perfect ambush weapon.
    If I'm sacrificing the reach of a firearm, I'd rather have a blade. It takes a much smaller injury to convince someone to give up with a blade.

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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I will also add, if you are so paranoid that you need a fully automatic assault rifle to defend yourself, I don't want you to have a gun.
    If you're so paranoid that you think you need to take my guns away to defend yourself, I don't want you to have a vote. See how that works?

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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Want to tell me how civilians owning automatic weapons will stop a tank division backed with air support? The notion that the 2nd amendment exists today to allow us to overthrow the government is lunacy is context of what the military actually has these days. Thermobaric weapons easily could wipe out a huge number of civilians with automatic weapons before they even knew what hit them.
    1) so the USA is going to nuke the USA- I don't think so

    2) you don't fight it out with the army-you kill the politicians who have ordered the army to attack its own civilian population. If 20 million people want say a certain politician dead, he's gonna die rather quickly

    3) assassination and terror is the way to deal with despots. Kill them and their families, not the army under them



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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    No. These are war weapons, not recreational or self-defense weapons. If you permit AK-47s and M-16s, why not permit people to build their own explosives? Make their own tear gas?

    If a compromise is really necessary, I'd say people should have to be at least 25 and undergo a background check and additionally something along the lines of a character and fitness exam.
    there are gray areas as to what civilians should be able to own. Portable rocket launchers, automatic grenade launchers, surface to air missiles are such weapons. Automatic rifles are not. ANYTHING CIVILIAN POLICE OFFICERS USE or the STANDARD INDIVIDUAL WEAPON OF AN INFANTRYMAN are clearly something all civilians (able to own other guns) should be able to possess



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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    There's no doubt about that, but in terms of destroying a homegrown insurgent force that actually gives a **** about its families, you attack their homes and families. That really doesn't work against Islamists though.



    Well, they aren't really civilians then are they? Furthermore, the actual chance of this is pretty much nil. If the Russians couldn't even shoot their own protestors during the Yeltsin Coup, American troops will not either. Hell, if Egyptian forces couldn't bring themselves down to mow down revolutionaries, this whole point of using civilian firearms to overthrow the government is moot as there won't be people to defend the government.



    Some men perhaps.

    My main issue is with the idea that we can absolve ourselves of watching over our government to ensure it doesn't get corrupt on the basis that we can always overthrow it via force. It's kind of like thinking that 500 pounds of cure is a superior choice to 1 nano-gram of prevention. It's clearly the superior choice to ensure that our government doesn't get that corrupt by ensure the people are a check on it in its various processes. But the whole "guns are needed to overthrow the corrupt government" just seems to toss that out the window.



    But that's not what the topic is. Using an AK in automatic is a sign of a real bad hunter.



    Nah. Baseball bat. No need to reload. Plus it's a perfect ambush weapon.
    Full automatic rifle (as opposed to a heavy machine gun designed to run at full auto at extended periods of time) is designed to

    1) suppress enemy movement or fire

    2) allow your side to maneuver

    3) break off an ambush

    Semi Auto selector on the same rifle

    1) inflict casualties

    2) inflict casualties

    3) inflict casualties



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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    If you gave civilians the right to own fully automatic weapons, more innocent police would start dieing in droves.

    I will also add, if you are so paranoid that you need a fully automatic assault rifle to defend yourself, I don't want you to have a gun.
    why do you post crap that is incredibly stupid?

    we have had the right to own these things in many states since the day they were invented and there has ONLY BEEN ONE REPORTED CRIME WITH A FULLY AUTOMATIC legally owned weapon in the last 75 years.

    If you don't trust someone to own the same weapon civilian police officers own I don't want you voting or having any say in our government



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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    If you're so paranoid that you think you need to take my guns away to defend yourself, I don't want you to have a vote. See how that works?
    He is completely ignorant of the subject-in most states you can own fully automatic weapons-albeit the price prevents anyone but those fairly well off from owning them legally because of the Hughes ban that prevents Full Autos made after may 19, 1986 from being purchased by non dealers or non law enforcement agencies



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