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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Vote on whether you think any American not convicted of a violent crime should have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle like an AK-47 or an M-16.
    Yes. Because we have to the right to keep and bear arms and it specifically says shall not be infringed. A couples of the reasons the 2nd amendment exists is to protect us against the government and for us to have the ability to overthrow the government. This need doesn't change just because it is 220 + years after the amendment was authored. Therefore the government has no business banning citizens from certain arms or requiring citizens to jump through hoops for something that is a constitutional right that says shall not infringe.If you want infringements then go through the amendment process. to repeal or alter the 2nd amendment.
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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Im not sure on every state but you can buy fully automatic weapons. Its just really hard to get permission to own one and it should be easier.

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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Vote on whether you think any American not convicted of a violent crime should have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle like an AK-47 or an M-16.
    Many already do and the criminal use of them, is practically nil.
    Don't see the problem with it at all.
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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Clearly, yes.
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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    I don't think so but if you a member of a Mexican Drug Cartel Obama's Justice Dept. (ATF) will supply all of them you want.

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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Vote on whether you think any* American not convicted of a violent crime should have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle like an AK-47 or an M-16.
    Had to put a star there. Where any* excludes those of serious mental illness and/or police documented history of violence.
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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes. Because we have to the right to keep and bear arms and it specifically says shall not be infringed. A couples of the reasons the 2nd amendment exists is to protect us against the government and for us to have the ability to overthrow the government.
    Want to tell me how civilians owning automatic weapons will stop a tank division backed with air support? The notion that the 2nd amendment exists today to allow us to overthrow the government is lunacy is context of what the military actually has these days. Thermobaric weapons easily could wipe out a huge number of civilians with automatic weapons before they even knew what hit them.
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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Want to tell me how civilians owning automatic weapons will stop a tank division backed with air support?
    By waiting until the tank division and air support are somewhere else and attacking their supply lines and the military police assigned to maintain order. Tanks and jets don't grow on trees.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The notion that the 2nd amendment exists today to allow us to overthrow the government is lunacy is context of what the military actually has these days. Thermobaric weapons easily could wipe out a huge number of civilians with automatic weapons before they even knew what hit them.
    Power is about what you can control. Freedom is about what you can unleash. Even the craziest of military dictatorships understands the concept that if all the civilians are dead, their power doesn't amount to anything.

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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Want to tell me how civilians owning automatic weapons will stop a tank division backed with air support? The notion that the 2nd amendment exists today to allow us to overthrow the government is lunacy is context of what the military actually has these days. Thermobaric weapons easily could wipe out a huge number of civilians with automatic weapons before they even knew what hit them.
    Then I guess we need to stock up on the big stuff, too........weapons are weapons. Actually, as we would be having another civil war, there is some hope that those in our Armed forces would not take part in destroying their fellow citizens, and we might at least have a chance. Maybe a few allies would show up for our American Spring......who knows?

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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    By waiting until the tank division and air support are somewhere else and attacking their supply lines and the military police assigned to maintain order. Tanks and jets don't grow on trees.
    That's not how it's going to work. They're going to come for your homes and families first. That's somewhat how a civil war works when one side is massively Superior in weapons. Basically force asymmetrical forces to defend positions that they choose, rather than what the asymmetrical force chooses. Furthermore, to actually overthrow the government, you're going to eventually have to neutralize those units. Can't do that with automatic weapons.

    Power is about what you can control. Freedom is about what you can unleash. Even the craziest of military dictatorships understands the concept that if all the civilians are dead, their power doesn't amount to anything.
    But they don't need to kill all civilians. Just enough to force the rest to cower.

    If this is the ideology behind the 2nd amendment, we're better off simply banning guns to force the people to ensure that their government never gets to that point rather then rely on some asinine hope to overthrow a government that never should have been allowed to get that bad in the first place.

    A more reasonable and logical view behind the right to bear arms is to defend one's self and property and to provide for one's livelihood if necessary. If our right to bear arms was meant to overthrow the government, we wouldn't need a military as our civilian weapons would be enough to kick out invaders.
    Last edited by obvious Child; 10-08-11 at 06:02 AM.
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