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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    No because the sole intention of a sharp pencil is to write, not to kill.
    How does an inanimate object's sole intention of production have anything to do with it. You stated:

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    Guns kill, that's all I need to know.
    You've given an inanimate object the ability to kill regardless of intent, therefore, I stated any object can kill to which you then step back and state that this inanimate object now has a consciousness and knows it's own intentions. That of course is ludicrous... the gun does not kill, nor does any inanimate object have a conscious or an intent. ALL of those things come from the person use the object, be it a pencil or a gun. Both a pencil and a gun can kill - it's means or intent of manufacture is irrelevant. Intent and consciousness are human qualities, therefore:

    Guns do not kill, people kill. People kill other people in a myriad of ways as you well know. Stop projecting intent and consciousness on inanimate objects and start projecting intent where it belongs, with the human.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    You've given an inanimate object the ability to kill regardless of intent, therefore, I stated any object can kill to which you then step back and state that this inanimate object now has a consciousness and knows it's own intentions. That of course is ludicrous... the gun does not kill, nor does any inanimate object have a conscious or an intent. ALL of those things come from the person use the object, be it a pencil or a gun. Both a pencil and a gun can kill - it's means or intent of manufacture is irrelevant. Intent and consciousness are human qualities, therefore:

    Guns do not kill, people kill. People kill other people in a myriad of ways as you well know. Stop projecting intent and consciousness on inanimate objects and start projecting intent where it belongs, with the human.
    While I agree with guns don't kill people, people kill people, a pencil was made (by society) to write. It was not made to kill someone, but the gun is made to kill things (Excluding for sport because we didn't invent a gun for sport).

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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    While I agree with guns don't kill people, people kill people, a pencil was made (by society) to write. It was not made to kill someone, but the gun is made to kill things (Excluding for sport because we didn't invent a gun for sport).
    You don't seem to be getting it - intent to product an object doesn't matter. Steak knives are meant to cut food, butcher knives are produced to cut raw animal meat - it doesn't mean they cannot be used for other purposes. Guns are not only created to kill people, some are created to specifically created for hunting, for sport, and others to stun or to incapacitate.

    Why an object is created is not relevant - how it is ultimately used is relevant. Get it?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Why an object is created is not relevant - how it is ultimately used is relevant. Get it?
    I guess that is true.

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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Why an object is created is not relevant - how it is ultimately used is relevant. Get it?
    Though with a pencil, you can't stab down 15 people in less than 3 seconds.

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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Though with a pencil, you can't stab down 15 people in less than 3 seconds.
    That's true... effectiveness depending on an objects purpose is an entirely different subject.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Anyways, like I said earlier, I think people should be able to own assault rifles under VERY heavy restrictions. My logic on this is if a shotgun/rifle (Hunting) has very little regulation and pistol has more regulations and carrying that pistol on you all the time has even more regulation. Then a AR should have even MORE regulation.

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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Anyways, like I said earlier, I think people should be able to own assault rifles under VERY heavy restrictions. My logic on this is if a shotgun/rifle (Hunting) has very little regulation and pistol has more regulations and carrying that pistol on you all the time has even more regulation. Then a AR should have even MORE regulation.
    why, edify me on why an M16 is more deadly in a typical urban scenario than a beretta 391 semi auto shotgun loaded with #4 buckshot



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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why, edify me on why an M16 is more deadly in a typical urban scenario than a beretta 391 semi auto shotgun loaded with #4 buckshot
    That is obvious, why don't they use the beretta 391 semi auto shotgun loaded with #4 buckshot over a M16 in Iraq/Afghanistan? Because the M16 is more deadly.

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    Re: Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why, edify me on why an M16 is more deadly in a typical urban scenario than a beretta 391 semi auto shotgun loaded with #4 buckshot
    Here we go...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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