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    Where do we put the blame for the crisis in this country?

    This is my opinion; I stand by what I say and will debate you my points. OK, that being said letís get to the heart of the problem. Is our economic crisis Obamaís fault, or is the blame being placed in the wrong place? If you have lived in this country for all your life; like I have, then I think you will agree with what I have to say. I have lived and worked in this country and I have seen this economic crisis coming for years. I saw it with Reagan with his tickle down economics; I think everybody understands that money does not follow down from the top, when money gets to the top it stays there; more profits for the shareholders, not to be gave to the employs, what have they done to deserve anything. He also didnít raise the minim wage his two terms as President; keeping the labor cost down for the corporations and keeping the working class people in near slavery conditions. And then after the crippling years of Reagan; for the working class, then along came G H W Bush; no new taxes, he was a liar right out of the box. Then he did the worst thing that has ever been done to the working class of this country, he signed the Free Trade Agreement. I donít know where you were at when this happened; but were I am at, there was a big sucking sound, and that was the jobs going over sea, were the corporations could get real slaves to do their labor for them. Where I live factories closed, there were mills closing, and the manufacturing jobs were all gone. The large chain stores moved in with their low price product form China, and there went the Mom & Pop store, because the people with jobs had no choice but to buy what they could afford. How many American jobs were lost because of what GHW Bush had done? Now I know there are thing that we need from overseas; such as oil, but I think instead of Free Trade Agreement we should have had a Fair Trade Agreement, a bushel of corn for a barrel of oil, if they donít like the trade we offer; then let them eat that oil and sand they have, and we need to find other way to replace oil and let them starve; Iím sorry for being so bunt, but we have an obligation to the people of this country first and foremost. Then we had eight years of Bill Clinton; what can I say about Wild Bill, he stayed in so much trouble that he could be made to do anything by anybody that had seen him with his hand in the cookie jar; and that was a lot of people, so I think he was more or less a puppet. G W Bush, why attack Afghanistan, when all the Muslim country have the same view and believe America is evil. All we did was take over a war that Russia had already gave up on. There are foreign countries that we send billions of dollars to every year, there are corporations and banks that we bailed out, and this is on the back of the American people. Now tell me, who is the one with their hand out; waiting on something free from the government. Now if you still think that Obama is to blame for the economic crisis, youíre either blind, too young to really know the facts, or either you are rich or have a corporation, and you donít want your dream world destroyed. I have voted republican all my life, I didnít even vote for Obama in the last election, but I have seen the light so to speak, and I hope other will also see the light, or Iím afraid if a republican get in office that our way of life and our freedoms are in danger of be taken from us. So if all the people marching havenít choose a name yet, let me suggest one for you Americans for Freedom. Keep marching, your voice is getting out, donít let the right wing republicans silent your voice with their propaganda. No real American thinks you are a bunch crazyís just wanting a free hand out, the republicans are just scared they are finally going to have to pay their fair share. We have a man in office that has said he would stand with the American people, and this is got the republicans really scared and they are doing everything they can to discredit him. So he has said he will stand with us, now we have to say we will stand with him. Eighty present of this country has a loud voice when it comes together, and this has the republicans scared that their way of life is coming to an end. Americans for Freedom needs to put up a web site to get donation and to spread their message out to the people theyíre fight for, Iím poor but I think I may be able to come up with a couple of dollars to get my voice heard. We have got them scared, there on the ropes, time to go in for the kill. I would prefer four more years of Obama, and try to get some hope and change for the working class of this country, than put any republican in any office, President or congress. But that is my opinion. And the question is where do we put the blame for the crisis in this country? Do you real think that Obama has put this country in the crisis it is in, in the last two or three years heís been in office? Or is it the politics of the republicans for the last thirty years to blame for the countryís problems? Iím saying thirty years, because that is the time I have lived and worked in this country, Iím sure it is probably a lot longer.

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    Re: Where do we put the blame for the crisis in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by dumbasdirt View Post
    This is my opinion; I stand by what I say and will debate you my points. OK, that being said let’s get to the heart of the problem. Is our economic crisis Obama’s fault, or is the blame being placed in the wrong place? If you have lived in this country for all your life; like I have, then I think you will agree with what I have to say. I have lived and worked in this country and I have seen this economic crisis coming for years. I saw it with Reagan with his tickle down economics; I think everybody understands that money does not follow down from the top, when money gets to the top it stays there; more profits for the shareholders, not to be gave to the employs, what have they done to deserve anything. He also didn’t raise the minim wage his two terms as President; keeping the labor cost down for the corporations and keeping the working class people in near slavery conditions. And then after the crippling years of Reagan; for the working class, then along came G H W Bush; no new taxes, he was a liar right out of the box. Then he did the worst thing that has ever been done to the working class of this country, he signed the Free Trade Agreement. I don’t know where you were at when this happened; but were I am at, there was a big sucking sound, and that was the jobs going over sea, were the corporations could get real slaves to do their labor for them. Where I live factories closed, there were mills closing, and the manufacturing jobs were all gone. The large chain stores moved in with their low price product form China, and there went the Mom & Pop store, because the people with jobs had no choice but to buy what they could afford. How many American jobs were lost because of what GHW Bush had done? Now I know there are thing that we need from overseas; such as oil, but I think instead of Free Trade Agreement we should have had a Fair Trade Agreement, a bushel of corn for a barrel of oil, if they don’t like the trade we offer; then let them eat that oil and sand they have, and we need to find other way to replace oil and let them starve; I’m sorry for being so bunt, but we have an obligation to the people of this country first and foremost. Then we had eight years of Bill Clinton; what can I say about Wild Bill, he stayed in so much trouble that he could be made to do anything by anybody that had seen him with his hand in the cookie jar; and that was a lot of people, so I think he was more or less a puppet. G W Bush, why attack Afghanistan, when all the Muslim country have the same view and believe America is evil. All we did was take over a war that Russia had already gave up on. There are foreign countries that we send billions of dollars to every year, there are corporations and banks that we bailed out, and this is on the back of the American people. Now tell me, who is the one with their hand out; waiting on something free from the government. Now if you still think that Obama is to blame for the economic crisis, you’re either blind, too young to really know the facts, or either you are rich or have a corporation, and you don’t want your dream world destroyed. I have voted republican all my life, I didn’t even vote for Obama in the last election, but I have seen the light so to speak, and I hope other will also see the light, or I’m afraid if a republican get in office that our way of life and our freedoms are in danger of be taken from us. So if all the people marching haven’t choose a name yet, let me suggest one for you Americans for Freedom. Keep marching, your voice is getting out, don’t let the right wing republicans silent your voice with their propaganda. No real American thinks you are a bunch crazy’s just wanting a free hand out, the republicans are just scared they are finally going to have to pay their fair share. We have a man in office that has said he would stand with the American people, and this is got the republicans really scared and they are doing everything they can to discredit him. So he has said he will stand with us, now we have to say we will stand with him. Eighty present of this country has a loud voice when it comes together, and this has the republicans scared that their way of life is coming to an end. Americans for Freedom needs to put up a web site to get donation and to spread their message out to the people they’re fight for, I’m poor but I think I may be able to come up with a couple of dollars to get my voice heard. We have got them scared, there on the ropes, time to go in for the kill. I would prefer four more years of Obama, and try to get some hope and change for the working class of this country, than put any republican in any office, President or congress. But that is my opinion. And the question is where do we put the blame for the crisis in this country? Do you real think that Obama has put this country in the crisis it is in, in the last two or three years he’s been in office? Or is it the politics of the republicans for the last thirty years to blame for the country’s problems? I’m saying thirty years, because that is the time I have lived and worked in this country, I’m sure it is probably a lot longer.
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    To answer the poll question, I don't really blame any of them. Sure, there are policies that contributed to the financial crisis (especially the repealing of the Glass-Steagall Act when Clinton was president, and the still-growing wealth disparity in this country). But I don't believe that any president has the ability to turn the economy around. Think of the economy as a big ship with thousands of little tugboats pulling it in different directions. At most, the president and Congress can nudge a few of those tugboats in a specific direction...and usually only after a delay of a few years. The Chairman of the Fed is the most powerful person in the country with respect to the short-term state of the economy...and I think Ben Bernanke has been exemplary.
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    Re: Where do we put the blame for the crisis in this country?

    Okay, we elected these people. What they did or didn't do after being elected is on them, but giving them the power to make those decisions is on us. Also, I'm not sure why the democrats aren't mentioned as having a hand in this. We didn't have a republican majority in the house and senate for 30 years. We didn't have republican presidents all 30 years. We have a mixed-party government and they made mixed party decisions. Some of the legislation from both sides was detrimental, some of it was beneficial, and some of the bipartisan stuff fell much the same way.
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    Re: Where do we put the blame for the crisis in this country?

    I always hate when a poll doesn't have a valid option.

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    Re: Where do we put the blame for the crisis in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I always hate when a poll doesn't have a valid option.
    What option would you add to the poll?

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    Re: Where do we put the blame for the crisis in this country?

    If money doesn't trickle down as stated in the 1st item, how in the world does it trickle up?

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    Re: Where do we put the blame for the crisis in this country?

    The blame is too wide spread to lay solely at the feet of any individual or group.

    Congress caused the housing collapse with the passage of the Housing and Community Development Act of 1977, which is a United States federal law designed to encourage commercial banks and savings associations to help meet the needs of borrowers in all segments of their communities, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods.

    This caused loans to people who would never be able to afford them.

    President Bush contributed with half assed wars that were waged with less than decisive measures to win as we did in WW-II. This has drawn out the conflicts leading to more cost in cash and lives than they should have.

    Obama and the Democrat Congress and House passed the failed stimulus plan that wasted billions and had very little long term affects on the economy. They also force Obama Care through and that has already had a negative cost affect on cost of medical and insurance.

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    Re: Where do we put the blame for the crisis in this country?

    The state of America today can be laid at the feet of every single administration and congress over the past 25 years. What began decades ago is bearing fruit today. Deregulation in the late '80's paved the way for public funds to be used for high-risk junk bonds, losing public entities... and taxpayers... billions. It also set the stage for the banking industry to get creative with mortgage-bundling that led to the disastrous forclosure and banking crisis. In the 90's, NAFTA and the Free Trade Agreement gave corporations incentives to send jobs across borders and overseas. That crippled our manufacturing and service based jobs, along with dozens of other industries that once employed millions of Americans. In the past decade, monumental tax cuts combined with the staggering cost of maintaining two ongoing wars has decimated the balanced budget that existed in 2000. Obama's adminstration has done nothing effective to reverse any of these national crisis, but has added to it by reneging on his campaign promise to end the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, raise taxes to bring in needed revenue, and cut out redundant and unnecessary governmental agencies.

    So blame them all, peeps, republicans and democrats alike. They've all put us in this mess, and they are too busy looking for ways to blame each other to hunch down and do what is necessary to fix it.

    Campaign finance reform... every candidate gets the same warchest. If no one is able to buy our government, or buy a place in it, we might get qualified people who aren't just looking for job perks and worrying about their next re-election campaign. Maybe then the people will truly have a government that serves them, instead of itself.

    Edit: And the poll options suck. What happened to "All of the above", or "Don't know"? The "I'm too stupid" was particularly annoying. So I didn't vote. Take that!
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    Re: Where do we put the blame for the crisis in this country?

    I blame both parties. One side wants to spend and borrow the other wants to spend and tax.Neither have made significant cuts to the budget.
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    Re: Where do we put the blame for the crisis in this country?

    Given the limited choices, I had to go with GOPs - mainly Ronald Reagan and GWB. Both sides do bear responsibility, but RR and GWB's tax cuts are primarily responsible for debt crisis and shifting the wealth disproportionately. The GOPs in the Senate and House are primarily responsible for not allowing the tax cuts to expire.
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