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    Re: Where do we put the blame for the crisis in this country?

    Option E... I blame them all
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    Re: Where do we put the blame for the crisis in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    You are absolutely right. All a President can really do about most of these issues is use his podium to engage the public. He should be able to point to a problem, pose a solution, and pursuade the public to put pressure on their congressmen. Rhetoric becomes useless after the election. That's what made Reagan an icon and why, in a more limited way, Bush2 was able to get done what he wanted. Clinton was poplular but Congress was pretty much out of his hands, and he sqandered his popularity defending himself. Obama had all the potential in the world to address real issues, but, apparently, either 1.) spent all his notoriety on the health care debacle; 2.) comes up with poor solutions to pose; or 3.) never had much credibility on his own within his own party.
    Oh, and Bush1 used his podium against himself - "No new taxes!"
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    Re: Where do we put the blame for the crisis in this country?

    the crisis is the result of more than three decades of failed economic theory.

    if jobs are outsourced to extremely low wage / slave labor, then we will have "cheap" goods. however, that means a lot of people who would otherwise be making those goods are in far less demand in the job market and can command only a much lower wage, or no wage at all. this results in less spending. we initially addressed this problem by extending credit; this worked until the early 2000s. with easy credit, consumers could still spend, and the GDP could still grow. but credit is temporary; we experienced a significant correction in 2008. the underlying failed economic model remains.

    secondly, our energy model has also failed. gasoline has been "cheap," as well, when only the retail price is taken into account. however, those energy dollars have also left our economy by the billions, and the model has required us to go to extraordinary lengths the maintain access to the oil.

    we need to take our trade deficit a lot more seriously, and we need to address energy as a national security issue. additionally, if we are going to continue to rely on consumer spending, then we are going to have to find a way for those consumers to work. short of that, those workers will be placed on entitlements. that's the reality of the situation, because there simply aren't enough jobs. i have to admit that i do find it a bit ironic that those who disapprove of entitlements the most defend the model that creates the largest amount of displaced workers who will need entitlements.

    who is to blame? there's no easy answer. the reality is that both parties, most corporations, and most consumers share in the blame. we wanted cheap retail goods and services at any cost, and that's what we got. the flipside is that there is a human cost when the economic model is a race to the bottom. we need to re-examine our national priorities, and we need to put emphasis on the sustainability of any model that we choose.

    to sum, we can't have our cake and eat it too. if we want to sustain a first world standard of living, goods are going to have to cost a little more, and we are going to have to generate more of our own energy, which is the lifeblood of any economy in our particular era.

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    Re: Where do we put the blame for the crisis in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The state of America today can be laid at the feet of every single administration and congress over the past 25 years. What began decades ago is bearing fruit today. Deregulation in the late '80's paved the way for public funds to be used for high-risk junk bonds, losing public entities... and taxpayers... billions. It also set the stage for the banking industry to get creative with mortgage-bundling that led to the disastrous forclosure and banking crisis. In the 90's, NAFTA and the Free Trade Agreement gave corporations incentives to send jobs across borders and overseas. That crippled our manufacturing and service based jobs, along with dozens of other industries that once employed millions of Americans. In the past decade, monumental tax cuts combined with the staggering cost of maintaining two ongoing wars has decimated the balanced budget that existed in 2000. Obama's adminstration has done nothing effective to reverse any of these national crisis, but has added to it by reneging on his campaign promise to end the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, raise taxes to bring in needed revenue, and cut out redundant and unnecessary governmental agencies.

    So blame them all, peeps, republicans and democrats alike. They've all put us in this mess, and they are too busy looking for ways to blame each other to hunch down and do what is necessary to fix it.

    Campaign finance reform... every candidate gets the same warchest. If no one is able to buy our government, or buy a place in it, we might get qualified people who aren't just looking for job perks and worrying about their next re-election campaign. Maybe then the people will truly have a government that serves them, instead of itself.

    Edit: And the poll options suck. What happened to "All of the above", or "Don't know"? The "I'm too stupid" was particularly annoying. So I didn't vote. Take that!
    Actually, the de-regulation movement began in the 1970's during the Carter administration. He deregulated airlines, the railroads, interstate trucking and some of the banking industry.

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    Re: Where do we put the blame for the crisis in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the crisis is the result of more than three decades of failed economic theory.

    if jobs are outsourced to extremely low wage / slave labor, then we will have "cheap" goods. however, that means a lot of people who would otherwise be making those goods are in far less demand in the job market and can command only a much lower wage, or no wage at all. this results in less spending. we initially addressed this problem by extending credit; this worked until the early 2000s. with easy credit, consumers could still spend, and the GDP could still grow. but credit is temporary; we experienced a significant correction in 2008. the underlying failed economic model remains.

    secondly, our energy model has also failed. gasoline has been "cheap," as well, when only the retail price is taken into account. however, those energy dollars have also left our economy by the billions, and the model has required us to go to extraordinary lengths the maintain access to the oil.

    we need to take our trade deficit a lot more seriously, and we need to address energy as a national security issue. additionally, if we are going to continue to rely on consumer spending, then we are going to have to find a way for those consumers to work. short of that, those workers will be placed on entitlements. that's the reality of the situation, because there simply aren't enough jobs. i have to admit that i do find it a bit ironic that those who disapprove of entitlements the most defend the model that creates the largest amount of displaced workers who will need entitlements.

    who is to blame? there's no easy answer. the reality is that both parties, most corporations, and most consumers share in the blame. we wanted cheap retail goods and services at any cost, and that's what we got. the flipside is that there is a human cost when the economic model is a race to the bottom. we need to re-examine our national priorities, and we need to put emphasis on the sustainability of any model that we choose.

    to sum, we can't have our cake and eat it too. if we want to sustain a first world standard of living, goods are going to have to cost a little more, and we are going to have to generate more of our own energy, which is the lifeblood of any economy in our particular era.
    In my (somewhat worthless) opinion, you pretty much nailed it.
    The US is an odd ship. The captain yells out when he sees obtacles , but 535 individual propellers do the steering.

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