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Thread: Death Penalty: Right or Wrong?

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    Re: Death Penalty: Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by J-Objective View Post
    its untrue and its an absolute we already been over this LOL
    I want to understand this better, because I know that you have a point. I want to see if it is valid though... why is it untrue?
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    Re: Death Penalty: Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I want to understand this better, because I know that you have a point. I want to see if it is valid though... why is it untrue?
    because its an absolute statement that just assumes that the risks to safety are identical between the dead criminals and the living criminals.

    Dead Criminals = zero possibility of them committing a crime
    Live criminals = a % of them committing a crime

    then he wanted to debate WHAT the percentage is, that doesn't matter because one way the percentage does exists and the other way it doesnt.

    and the safety by his own words was to "all public including those in the prison"
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    Re: Death Penalty: Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by J-Objective View Post
    because its an absolute statement that just assumes that the risks to safety are identical between the dead criminals and the living criminals.

    Dead Criminals = zero possibility of them committing a crime
    Live criminals = a % of them committing a crime

    then he wanted to debate WHAT the percentage is, that doesn't matter because one way the percentage does exists and the other way it doesnt.

    and the safety by his own words was to "all public including those in the prison"
    I am with you and if the issue is that "those in prison" were safer then I agree that this is false. I understood the point as being ONLY safer to society and with that we generally mean society as those that are not incarcerated in prison.

    I would challenge this then:

    Dead Criminals = zero possibility of them committing a crime or harming those not locked up
    Live criminals = zero possibility of them committing a crime or harming those not locked up

    Because within the bounds of this discussion, most people are not including those that are locked up as "society" nor do they care if inmates are harmed by inmates.
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    Re: Death Penalty: Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am with you and if the issue is that "those in prison" were safer then I agree that this is false. I understood the point as being ONLY safer to society and with that we generally mean society as those that are not incarcerated in prison.

    I would challenge this then:

    Dead Criminals = zero possibility of them committing a crime or harming those not locked up
    Live criminals = zero possibility of them committing a crime or harming those not locked up

    Because within the bounds of this discussion, most people are not including those that are locked up as "society" nor do they care if inmates are harmed by inmates.
    well like I said his own words were what I stated above. and society wasnt mentioned but I would challenge that too.

    because just like I asked, Zyphlin asked and some others what about

    escaping
    parole (this doesnt ably to him because HE said without parole but some other didnt)
    faculty
    visitors/volunteers/interns ie doctors, nurses, clergy, parole board members, etc etc

    again are the odds that these people get hurt "probably" low? id GUESS yes but its still a POSSIBILITY vs an IMPOSSIBILITY that they get hurt by living people vs dead.

    Like I said my only problem with his statement was its an absolute

    its not like in GENERAL he didnt have some valid points, its that the points didnt matter to his factually wrong statement.
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    Re: Death Penalty: Right or Wrong?

    Quite frankly I've always found the idea behind the death penalty to be somewhat appalling. The basic idea is punishing murder through murder. That doesn't make much sense does it?

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    Re: Death Penalty: Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Confucius View Post
    Quite frankly I've always found the idea behind the death penalty to be somewhat appalling. The basic idea is punishing murder through murder. That doesn't make much sense does it?
    the death penalty isnt murder.
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    Re: Death Penalty: Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    the death penalty isnt murder.
    And someone would have to be an idiot to say it is.
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    Re: Death Penalty: Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    the death penalty isnt murder.
    It's not murder. It just doesn't offer much advantage to the public on the whole and the failure mode outweighs any benefit which can be currently achieved through it.
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    Re: Death Penalty: Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    because its an absolute statement that just assumes that the risks to safety are identical between the dead criminals and the living criminals.

    Dead Criminals = zero possibility of them committing a crime
    Live criminals = a % of them committing a crime

    then he wanted to debate WHAT the percentage is, that doesn't matter because one way the percentage does exists and the other way it doesnt.

    and the safety by his own words was to "all public including those in the prison"
    First, since you suck at following a conversation, I already explained to ~5 times that I did not support the absolute interpretation of my statement - your interpretation.
    Second, even though I don't even support that interpretation - you really suck at arguing against it.
    Third, I'll repeat this to highlight your double standard. You expect me and everyone else to give you the benefit of the doubt when you make absolute statements, but when I make one and presumably when others do, you latch on to them like they're the holy grail.

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    This is my original comment:
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    The death penalty doesn't increase the safety of the public anymore than a life sentence w/p parole.

    This is a comment you made later:
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    the fact remains people with life in prison still commit crimes
    Both sentences are written as absolutes. However, most people reading them wouldn't flip out and harp on the way they were written. They would understand that the person likely doesn't mean it in an absolute sense - but instead, in a statistically relevant sense. However, you've chosen to not give me the benefit of the doubt and yet excuse your use of an absolute. This conversation is a joke.

    You interpreted my comment one way and Ikari interpreted it another. I agree with Ikari's interpretation and not yours. It's pretty simple.

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    Re: Death Penalty: Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    First, since you suck at following a conversation, I already explained to ~5 times that I did not support the absolute interpretation of my statement - your interpretation.
    Second, even though I don't even support that interpretation - you really suck at arguing against it.
    Third, I'll repeat this to highlight your double standard. You expect me and everyone else to give you the benefit of the doubt when you make absolute statements, but when I make one and presumably when others do, you latch on to them like they're the holy grail.
    more failed attempts at insults, dishonesty and twisting of words, cute. LMAO

    But let me know when you have something of merit. I already answered this, see post 125. repeating it trying to make it more dramatic wont get you the answer you want. So no need to get emotional and over dramatics LOL
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