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Thread: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    While you might imagine that you are taking a stand against his firing, you are actually engaging in the very same behaviors that caused his firing. If nobody ever engaged in such irrational, emotionally-charged behaviors, Hank would still have his job. But because people such as yourself go overboard over pure nonsense like this, he got fired.
    My actions are niether emotional nor irrational. They are simply my way of making a clear, concise statement about the actions of a particular company that don't involve any form of violent response.

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    It's not a political statement, it's a business decision.
    Are you suggesting that the action cannot be both a political and a business statement at the same time?

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    A business decision based on their assessment of what other people's political decisions might be. Having a controversial figure doing the intro is likely to lead to advertisers getting squirrelly about taking the advertising slots immediately before and after that intro because people might choose to avoid such products based on their irrational, emotionally charged political stances. That's how MNF would lose money over this issue, since it will still remain one of the most watched, if not the most watched, program in it's time slot. The only risk to them is that advertisers choose to avoid those advertising slots, which they might do in order to avoid losing profits as well.
    That's fine. They're more than free to sell their souls for advertising revenue.

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    My actions are niether emotional nor irrational. They are simply my way of making a clear, concise statement about the actions of a particular company that don't involve any form of violent response.
    Are you under the impression that violent reactions are the only irrational and emotionally-charged reactions?



    Are you suggesting that the action cannot be both a political and a business statement at the same time?
    No, I'm suggesting that smart business people make their business decisions based on the bottom line, not politics.


    That's fine. They're more than free to sell their souls for advertising revenue.
    It's funny that you said this shortly after saying "My actions are neither emotional nor irrational."


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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Are you under the impression that violent reactions are the only irrational and emotionally-charged reactions?
    Not at all; though they tend to be the most useful ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    No, I'm suggesting that smart business people make their business decisions based on the bottom line, not politics.
    I would suggest that in many cases those two things are very difficult to separate. Take Smith & Wesson for example. Some years back they were sold to a British company called Thompkins PLC. That company entered into certain agreements with the US Dept. of Housing and Urban Development to NOT market/sell their products in certain areas. That made many loyal S&W customers very upset and those customers began boycotting S&W products. This eventually caused Thompkins to see S&W to a company in Arizona that immediately voided those agreements with HUD.

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    It's funny that you said this shortly after saying "My actions are neither emotional nor irrational."
    I don't see anything humorous about it at all.

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Not at all; though they tend to be the most useful ones.
    Are you saying the violent ones are most useful or the irrational, emotionally charged ones are most useful?



    I would suggest that in many cases those two things are very difficult to separate. Take Smith & Wesson for example. Some years back they were sold to a British company called Thompkins PLC. That company entered into certain agreements with the US Dept. of Housing and Urban Development to NOT market/sell their products in certain areas. That made many loyal S&W customers very upset and those customers began boycotting S&W products. This eventually caused Thompkins to see S&W to a company in Arizona that immediately voided those agreements with HUD.
    I said smart business people. ESPN has smart business people. Thompkins clearly did not.

    I don't see anything humorous about it at all.
    That's no small part of what makes it funny.

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Are you saying the violent ones are most useful or the irrational, emotionally charged ones are most useful?
    The violent ones.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I said smart business people. ESPN has smart business people. Thompkins clearly did not.
    Thompkins simply realized that their POLITICAL stance had affected their BOTTOM LINE, and that the only way to fix it was to sell the company. They tried to make a political statement and it blew up in their faces.

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The violent ones.
    When has a violent decision ever proven more useful for you than a logical one?




    Thompkins simply realized that their POLITICAL stance had affected their BOTTOM LINE, and that the only way to fix it was to sell the company. They tried to make a political statement and it blew up in their faces.
    That does not contradict my point.

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    When has a violent decision ever proven more useful for you than a logical one?
    Every problem has a final solution.

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    private entities are not relevant for first amendment rights
    TD has nailed the reason this has nothing to do with the first amendment which states:
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    Just as any US citizen, Hank Jr. has the right to shoot off his mouth. And just as any US citizen he has to accept the social and business consequences for his actions and words. The first amendment simply protects Hank Jr. from the government censuring Hank Jr.'s speech, not from private corporations or individuals deciding not to give him a platform to share his thoughts.
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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Real Football is played on Saturdays.

    ESPN is owned by Disney....that says it all.

    Can you spell FRUITCAKES ?

    HEEEELO

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    When has a violent decision ever proven more useful for you than a logical one?
    March 1990, in the parking lot at the high school I attended, while waiting for my ride home to arrive. A young man by the name of Keigan, who had been a constant thorn in my side for about three years approached me and started in with a number of insults regarding my birthmark. He chose the wrong day to do so, as I'd already had a terrible day. Without even really thinking about it I balled up my right fist and applied it to his nose with significant force. Suddenly, for the first time in a very long time, it was the insulter who was crying instead of me. He was having to pick his physical form up off the ground and wipe his bloodied nose instead of me having to pick my emotional form up after each encounter with him. I never had another problem with him.

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