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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    My wife leaked it on to youtube. The bitch.
    Must be the crabs I gave her.

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Must be the crabs I gave her.
    You ****ed my wife?

    You're a braver man that I am!

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    You ****ed my wife?
    You're a braver man that I am!
    Well, duh!

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The NFL has become nothing more than corporative entertainment, its not about sport and ...you are correct...its just plain boring any more.
    My real problem I have with the NFL is that its not about what it once was about. When I was kid I really enjoyed the game it was balanced and the defense could PLAY as if they were actually on the field. Now you have pansies like Micheal Vick crying because he is hit. Oh every time I throw the ball I'm on the ground. The refs need to call this man. Vick could just grow a pair and realize he is on the field not on the bench. If he doesn't want to be hit maybe he just..you know..go sit on the bench and shut the **** up.

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Unlikely....I don't think the vast majority of people turning on MNF do so to listen to HW Jr......just sayin.
    True, but the majority of them are the sort of people who do listen to country music, and who believe in tradition. I'd also suggest your average MNF viewer is probably not as likely to vote for Obama as for a Republican.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So you're going to boycott something you did almost every week because a washed up has been was fired from singing a song about it? Good for you. Take that stand.
    I will, and I know at least a handful of others who are going to take that stand as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    But I seriously doubt that it'll have any discernible effect. MNF's target demographic are people who care about football. Gamblers, fantasy football freaks, etc. In other words, me. ESPN could change the intro to a song called "Tucker Case is a ****ing moron who likes to rape dead babies" and I'd still watch it.
    Probably won't have any discernable effect. Though it will show me where people stand (or don't) on the simple concept of Right and Wrong. To me no sporting event, concert, etc... is more important than my beliefs, ideology, and philosophy. Simple as that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Because I am watching football, not intros.
    I see the intro as a part of the greater product, and its removal as a political statement which I will not support. Just like the Ben & Jerry's issue I mentioned earlier.

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    My real problem I have with the NFL is that its not about what it once was about. When I was kid I really enjoyed the game it was balanced and the defense could PLAY as if they were actually on the field. Now you have pansies like Micheal Vick crying because he is hit. Oh every time I throw the ball I'm on the ground. The refs need to call this man. Vick could just grow a pair and realize he is on the field not on the bench. If he doesn't want to be hit maybe he just..you know..go sit on the bench and shut the **** up.
    The NFL did not have the level of athletes then that they do now. Let's be honest. That is why they had to change the kick off rule. Not to piss you off, but so that people do not get killed. That is why they had to change the defenseless QB (and receiver) rule. Not to piss you off, but so that people do not get killed. Yeah, Vick should have kept his mouth shut after the game, but is that really what is pissing you off about the NFL? I doubt it.

    Let me guess, you hate Tiger Woods too because he curses too much and "does not respect the tradition of the game"?

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Hank Jr. was absolutely right. Obama does have a lot in common with Hitler. No, he doesn't have gas chambers, but he is a power-hungry monster who is dedicated to destroying capitalism and replacing it with fascism (socialism) and tons of anti-American mandates.

    Thanks, Hank, for calling a spade a spade. ESPN owes you a huge apology.
    You need remedial education. Fascism and socialism are not one and the same. In fact, they're opposing political philosophies. One cannot simultaneously be a fascist and a socialist.

    Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Read up. And maybe next time you won't make such an ignorant statement.

    And, btw, Hitler did use the word "socialist" in the name of his party (National Socialist German Workers Party), but that didn't make him a socialist. It only means he used that word. East Germany was known as The German Democratic Republic, but that didn't make them a democracy.
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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    The NFL did not have the level of athletes then that they do now. Let's be honest. That is why they had to change the kick off rule. Not to piss you off, but so that people do not get killed. That is why they had to change the defenseless QB (and receiver) rule. Not to piss you off, but so that people do not get killed.
    What are you talking about? People threw each other around like rag dolls and no one died and those guys where huge. The guys today aren't much bigger. Talk about believing in bull****. If you don't like football maybe you should watch some other horse**** like dancing. If the guys don't want to play it they should do something else like dancing that you can watch them doing. Sounds like win to me!




    Yeah, Vick should have kept his mouth shut after the game, but is that really what is pissing you off about the NFL? I doubt it.
    Pussies and the league to doing everything to get more touchdowns is pissing me off. I'm not hiding it at all. Vick embodies this. He is ****ing pussy that should be benched for nothing else but being a pussy.


    Let me guess, you hate Tiger Woods too because he curses too much and "does not respect the tradition of the game"?
    Golf is still golf. Who gives a **** if he curses? The problem I have with golf and tiger woods is comparing what he is doing to what Jack Nicklaus did. The equipment is not comparable so any direct comparisons just do not work but people don't stop doing it though. That does annoy me a bit. I really don't watch golf all that much though. Its a bit boring.
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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I will, and I know at least a handful of others who are going to take that stand as well.
    Good for y'all.



    Probably won't have any discernable effect. Though it will show me where people stand (or don't) on the simple concept of Right and Wrong. To me no sporting event, concert, etc... is more important than my beliefs, ideology, and philosophy. Simple as that.
    While you might imagine that you are taking a stand against his firing, you are actually engaging in the very same behaviors that caused his firing. If nobody ever engaged in such irrational, emotionally-charged behaviors, Hank would still have his job. But because people such as yourself go overboard over pure nonsense like this, he got fired.


    I see the intro as a part of the greater product, and its removal as a political statement which I will not support. Just like the Ben & Jerry's issue I mentioned earlier.
    It's not a political statement, it's a business decision.

    A business decision based on their assessment of what other people's political decisions might be. Having a controversial figure doing the intro is likely to lead to advertisers getting squirrelly about taking the advertising slots immediately before and after that intro because people might choose to avoid such products based on their irrational, emotionally charged political stances. That's how MNF would lose money over this issue, since it will still remain one of the most watched, if not the most watched, program in it's time slot. The only risk to them is that advertisers choose to avoid those advertising slots, which they might do in order to avoid losing profits as well.

    The advertisers and ESPN are both aware that the product (NFL football) is far more important towards viewership than which washed up singer sings the theme song for that product. They aren't afraid of people not watching football (despite the few people who will think that doing exactly the same thing that got Hank fired will somehow prove something other than the fact that they don't really get why Hank was fired).

    The biggest risk (in truth, the only real risk) were the advertising slots immediately before and after the intro.

    The same thing was true with the Dixie chicks. It's a business decision designed to appeal to advertisers, who are afraid of being associated with morons who can't keep their traps shut despite their income being based on public perception of them. Just like how Gilbert Godfried got fired form being the voice for that annoying ****ing AFLAC bird over his tsunami jokes. Advertisers understand how public perception affects their profits. Celebrities apparently do not.

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    You'd think they'd be a little less sensitive to that kind of thing, considering the fact that ESPN is owned by the Disney Corp., and Walt Disney was the greatest American anti-semite for as long as I can remember.

    Maybe they're too sensitive about anyone negative being compared favorably to Das Fuhrer.

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