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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Not that much longer. The ratio of Bush results to Obama results are more than 7 to 1.

    You're probably right about Bush haters using the Internet more, but I highly doubt that's the sole reason for such a huge difference.

    You also have to account for there being continuously more people on the Internet; at least, there's more people online now than there were in 2003. That should actually increase the results for Obama, even if other things work against it.

    People who compared Bush to Hitler don't stop comparing Bush to Hitler just because he's out of office. And the results probably contain this page which contains both Bush and Obama together with the term Hitler.

    Also the Dixie Chicks got pulled off the air just for criticizing Bush.
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    When the Dixie Chicks said somethng critical about GWB and their songs were pulled from country radio, the liberals whined about their right to say what they wanted.

    Guessing those same people are pretty silent now. Wonder why that would be.

    Who said that the Dixie Chicks' first amendment rights were violated on this forum?
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    of course, absolutely!

    but that doesnt mean there isnt repercussions for what one says or that sometimes what one says cant be taken back.

    And not that it matters but in my opinion he planned and wanted to say that, (not all of it but talk about the golf game) if you watch the video its not like a segway led into it, he kind of randomly brought it.

    and what does george dickle have to do with it?
    Well if we can agree that Hank likely doesn't know what the hell he's talking about half of the time and that (even though I llike his music) he's a washed-up performer, burned out on alcohol and drug consumption then common sense should tell us that statements like this from him are completely irrelevant and in no way reflect negatively upon ESPN...............BUT...........our politically correct tendencies tell us that he must be held accountable for such horrific remarks, thus the infraction was laid down by ESPN. Who, in their right mind, with any shred of common sense, would hold ESPN accountable for what someone with the mental capacity of Hank says? See the lack of rational behavior and lack of common sense yet?
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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Well if we can agree that Hank likely doesn't know what the hell he's talking about half of the time and that (even though I llike his music) he's a washed-up performer, burned out on alcohol and drug consumption then common sense should tell us that statements like this from him are completely irrelevant and in no way reflect negatively upon ESPN...............BUT...........our politically correct tendencies tell us that he must be held accountable for such horrific remarks, thus the infraction was laid down by ESPN. Who, in their right mind, with any shred of common sense, would hold ESPN accountable for what someone with the mental capacity of Hank says? See the lack of rational behavior and lack of common sense yet?
    Well I agree that MOST wouldnt hold ESPN accountable I still dont see the lack of rational behavior and commons sense except on the part of Hank

    im a nobody lol but if I get on TV and say the wrong thing I could lose my job too
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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    I read on here and some other places that people think that Hanks/1st amendment rights were violated or infringed upon in some what.

    DO you think this is true?
    No, his statement was edited by a privately owned company that has every right to censor its content. The first amendment protects the Peoples right to freedom of speech from being abridged by the government. ESPN is not the government. Carry on.
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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Well im glad everyone agrees I guess the few people I say say otherwise realized how wrong they were
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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Well if we can agree that Hank likely doesn't know what the hell he's talking about half of the time and that (even though I llike his music) he's a washed-up performer, burned out on alcohol and drug consumption then common sense should tell us that statements like this from him are completely irrelevant and in no way reflect negatively upon ESPN...............BUT...........our politically correct tendencies tell us that he must be held accountable for such horrific remarks, thus the infraction was laid down by ESPN. Who, in their right mind, with any shred of common sense, would hold ESPN accountable for what someone with the mental capacity of Hank says? See the lack of rational behavior and lack of common sense yet?
    ESPN made the smart bet with regard to firing Hank. It's not about reflecting negatively on them. It's about the advertising slots immediately before and after the intro to MNF. Advertisers, worrying about people's political sensibilities, don't wish to be associated with such inflammatory statements in any way so they choose to avoid those advertising slots.

    This costs ESPN money.

    ESPN is in the business of making money, so they eradicate the problem by firing Hank. Now they get advertisers for those slots (Which are prime real estate in the ad world).

    If we're going to talk about common sense, then we have to include the most important variable in ESPN's decision making: money.

    Hank Williams Jr didn't generate any revenue for them. He's totally and completely expendable. Those advertising slots are generate quite a bit of revenue for them. They are the most important part of the MNF intro for them.

    Thus, the common sense decision is to fire the expendable, no-revenue-generating singer in order to protect those advertising slots and the revenue that they generate.

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You have the right to say pretty much anything you want. You dont have the right to avoid consequences.
    Actually, people have every right to avoid consequences for their actions, if they are smart enough to figure out how. It may not be moral, but if they are smart enough to outwit any blow back from their actions, they are free to do so for good or ill.

    This could be a good or bad thing, depending on perspective and the exact nature of the situation.

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    Re: Hank Williams Jr., 1st Amendment Rights?

    Hank can say what he wants, he has to live with the consequences. I think its kind of dumb to drop him over this, and I think the story became far larger and far more wide spread because ESPN took action than if they HADN'T taken action, but I don't think its a huge deal.

    I think in reality they probably would like to go with a more modern intro but its hard to get rid of something that has become a tradition and this gave them a great out.

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