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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    LOL, it's not a secret that I do not support Obama. (nor Perry or Romney)
    There's nothing wrong with not supporting Obama...I don't support Obama...but one can not support him and still be realistic and reasonable regarding things dealing with him.

    Yes but voting "present" is a political position, not one of principle. People are tired of this.
    Again...

    1) Irrelevant to his amount of experience if you feel its a "political position" not one of principle
    2) I do think people say they want principle, I also think voting trends and history says that in the end they'd prefer to trust an experienced politician.

    I'm in no way saying I agree with that notion, but my own opinion doesn't necessarily represent the masses nor hold any kind of historical basis for having said opinion.

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Does it really matter? A job is a job.
    Bernanke isn't qualified to run anything.

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Zyphlin: You seem to value political experience in front of business experience. I think a lot of people disagree with you.
    I do value political experience, in a generalized sense, than business experience when it comes to a political position. I disagree with you regarding a "lot" of people disagreeing with me as well. Anecdotally, I've seen a segment of republican base touting Cain as if he's experienced and almost no Independents, No Democrats, and a good number of Republicans all saying he's got significant issues with it. Factually, I don't know of any polls done on peoples opinions of that yet but I can look at the way Presidential campaigns have gone over the years and never has the electorate even got CLOSE to voting for someone that would give an indication that the voters will value business experience more than political experience.

    Some of the best Presidents in the US, had very little political experience.
    Who?

    Most conservatives don't want another politician or everyone would be jumping on the Gingrich train!
    You speak for most conservatives now? Some conservatives wanted Bachmann, she's another politician. So is those who wanted Paul. And those who wanted Perry. And those who wanted ANYONE but Herman Cain, which there are far more conservatives that want someone other than Herman Cain then there are those who want Herman Cain. So no, considering that the majority of conservatives support a candidate that is a politician rather than one that isn't, I wouldn't say that "most" conservatives don't want another politician.

    I will say though that a thing Cain has going for him over someone like Santorum or even Bachmann is his focus is largely on economic issues and very little on social issues which, given the nature of the electorate this season and the government atmosphere, I think is a benefit towards his candidacy over some others.

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There's nothing wrong with not supporting Obama...I don't support Obama...but one can not support him and still be realistic and reasonable regarding things dealing with him.
    Sorry, you are right. LOL I just dismiss his service since he really did nothing while serving as I note other than vote present and argue against things he ended up being for.

    The CEO may make his son senior VP while the son's only real job is to draw a paycheck, but he did hold the job.

    Again...

    1) Irrelevant to his amount of experience if you feel its a "political position" not one of principle
    2) I do think people say they want principle, I also think voting trends and history says that in the end they'd prefer to trust an experienced politician.

    I'm in no way saying I agree with that notion, but my own opinion doesn't necessarily represent the masses nor hold any kind of historical basis for having said opinion.
    A bunch of experienced politicians were tossed last year.

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not



    Commentary: The Media Say the Economy Is Horrible, So It Must Be True /sarcasm

    Aug 17, 2005: You could write a book just on how poor the coverage has been of the alleged housing bubble. The media have been foretelling a massive bust in housing prices for months now. On May 19, ABCs Elizabeth Vargas said: The run up in housing prices is now beginning to look something like the boom in Internet stocks, and we know what happened there. That kind of ignorance makes homeowners fear that their most expensive possession could turn worthless overnight. That wont happen. No matter how much the media compared Bush to Herbert Hoover last year, this is not the Great Depression.


    Herman Cain: For real or not-housing-bubble2-jpg

    Fall 2005: Booming housing market halts abruptly; from the fourth quarter of 2005 to the first quarter of 2006, median prices nationwide dropped of 3.3 percent.[41]
    Year-end: A total of 846,982 properties were in some stage of foreclosure in 2005.[42]

    2006: Continued market slowdown. Prices are flat, home sales fall, resulting in inventory buildup. U.S. Home Construction Index is down over 40% as of mid-August 2006 compared to a year earlier. A total of 1,259,118 foreclosures were filed during the year, up 42 percent from 2005.[43]



    Elected for economics cannot see economic bust.
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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Sorry, you are right. LOL I just dismiss his service since he really did nothing while serving as I note other than vote present and argue against things he ended up being for.

    The CEO may make his son senior VP while the son's only real job is to draw a paycheck, but he did hold the job.
    Again, comparing Obama to a son that is senior VP but never shows up to work is not comparable. Yes, he voted present a lot. He did not vote for it 100% of the time. Yes, he was campaigning while in the Senate, however he didn't spend 100% of his time while in the Senate doing that. Obama is no way possible comparable to someone who just gets a paycheck without EVER showing up to do the job.

    Yes, you're dismissing his service due to your own hyperbolic view of his actions while in those positions and on top of that you're then extrapolating your hyperbolic view onto the electorate expecting them to view Obama's experience in a simple way which is just a bit of nonsense.

    EVEN if your argument was correct, Cain would have to deftly...in ways no Republican has managed to do in 2008 or since...convince the public of that argument being true rather than what it appears on the surface which is that Obama has a decades worth of experience in government.

    A bunch of experienced politicians were tossed last year.
    Yep, on lower level elections where historically there's been a far larger chance for a non-experienced politician to break through then the Presidency. Experienced politicians being tossed out on a congressional level, especially at a representitive level, is not entirely unusual. It is unheard of in regards to the Presidency.

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Again, comparing Obama to a son that is senior VP but never shows up to work is not comparable. Yes, he voted present a lot. He did not vote for it 100% of the time. Yes, he was campaigning while in the Senate, however he didn't spend 100% of his time while in the Senate doing that. Obama is no way possible comparable to someone who just gets a paycheck without EVER showing up to do the job.
    It should be for someone saying that we need political experience.

    [qoute]Yes, you're dismissing his service due to your own hyperbolic view of his actions while in those positions and on top of that you're then extrapolating your hyperbolic view onto the electorate expecting them to view Obama's experience in a simple way which is just a bit of nonsense. [/quote]

    There is plenty to be against Obama about, I'm not too concerned over poeple concerning themselves over his experience.

    EVEN if your argument was correct, Cain would have to deftly...in ways no Republican has managed to do in 2008 or since...convince the public of that argument being true rather than what it appears on the surface which is that Obama has a decades worth of experience in government.
    If that's the position it's one to run against. "Obama had decades worth of experience and look at how poorly he has done".

    Yep, on lower level elections where historically there's been a far larger chance for a non-experienced politician to break through then the Presidency. Experienced politicians being tossed out on a congressional level, especially at a representitive level, is not entirely unusual. It is unheard of in regards to the Presidency.
    Nobody was more experienced that Bush I but yet a governor beat him.

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    His name isn't spelled Bachmann and she has no chance. His name isn't Palin nor Perry either. The accusation was that Cain would start with a serious disadvantage. I asked why that would be.

    Now, I then said that nobody that runs against Obama would have a serious disadvantage. Bachmann nor Palin, and it seems less and less likely that Perry will be running against Obama.

    Things can change but it seems right now Romney and Cain are the front runners. Will either be at a serious disadvantage and if you believe so, why?
    You said that nobody would have a serious disadvantage against Obama; that's what I was arguing against.

    As for Herman Cain, I think Zyph already did a good enough job explaining why he'd have a major disadvantage. Running a pizza company doesn't qualify someone for being President of the U.S.

    Cain lost me when he showed his complete ignorance of the Palestinian refugee problem, which even my high school history class was made aware of. He'd have to learn about what's going on in the world really fast... and I don't want another learn-as-you-go President. We already have one of those now, and it hasn't worked out so well.

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    New polls have come out today, showing Herman Cain with large primary leads in West Virginia, North Carolina, Nebraska, and a 24 point lead in his home state of Georgia. This is coupled with some strong momentum in national polling over the last two weeks. So what do you think? Does he have a real chance of winning the nomination or is he just the current holder of the "Anyone but Romney" weak support right now? I personally think he will fade in the coming three months as this "Anyone but Romney" feeling continues to cycle between Gingrich, Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, Cain, and maybe Palin if she decides to run.
    I guess you don't like him since your poll has a lot of useless selections.
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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    You said that nobody would have a serious disadvantage against Obama; that's what I was arguing against.

    As for Herman Cain, I think Zyph already did a good enough job explaining why he'd have a major disadvantage. Running a pizza company doesn't qualify someone for being President of the U.S.

    Cain lost me when he showed his complete ignorance of the Palestinian refugee problem, which even my high school history class was made aware of. He'd have to learn about what's going on in the world really fast... and I don't want another learn-as-you-go President. We already have one of those now, and it hasn't worked out so well.
    And Obama was better qualified when he first ran? What did he know about business or job creation? Nothing at all. What does he know about it now? Nothing at all. How is his foreign policy working? What foreign policy? Domestically he's a total failure.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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