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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Cain talking about Libya. Something tells me, he won't have too much problems with foreign policy.


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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Cain is the GOP flavor of the month in a store full of rotten choices. I like Gary Johnson. What's happened to Ron Paul? Too bright?










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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I think right now this can be a major advantage. In the end though, Obama really had no government experience. He really had no practical experience at all. Granted, one can point out how that didn't turn out so well, but Cain does have practicle experience.
    That's just not true, at all. I mean, its patentedly false. I'm not even sure why to continue to go forward when that line alone obvious shows you're not trying to have any kind of honest discussion but just wanting to hunker down into the world view you've fashioned for yourself.

    Obama spent multiple years in a state legislature, and a number of years in the federal legislature. You're just wrong, factually and completely.

    Do you really want another politician running things?
    Its not what I want. You asked about a disadvantage. Unless Cain massively was able to spin it expertly, which is yet to be seen so can't be assumed, its likely to be a massive disadvantage based on historical trends in regards to the electorate and their voting record with regards to experience.

    Obama would have an advantage as far as foriegn policy. But he has got us into another war, bombed Yemen and Cain will be able to argue, how much further are we going to escalate this war that is doing nothing but killing our kids.
    Cain definitely has potential arguments to make, the problem is making them. Making them in an articulate and knowledgable way that imparts confidence in people regarding their grasp. Obama has, if nothing, a decent grasp of Foreign policy after living it day in day out for the past few years. Cain has little to no experience with it save for a few things he may've read or been told. The presentation of who grasps the situation and understands it better when it gets to the nitty gritty is likely to look decidingly different as already presented in some of Cain's responses concerning foreign policy in the current debates.

    Not to mention the fact that I don't believe a Republican message of "Bring the troops home" is going to resonate at ALL with anyone outside of their core base as those people aren't going to forget the past 12 years prior where the Republicans were roundly beating the war drums and attacking the patriotism of people calling to "bring the troops home". I could be wrong on that, but I really see zero indication to lead me to believe that somehow this argument would actually win Cain any significant support or votes other than what he'd already have.

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    That may be true, but Obama supporters can't criticize him for it, because they know that Barack Obama had less management experience than Cain. By discrediting Cain with his political experience, then they will discredit Obama and make themselves look like hypocrites.
    They can, correctly, however point out Obama may not have had executive experience in the government but had political experience. They can mock the notion of being the CEO of a Pizza Company is somehow a parrellel to being the chief executive of a nation which functions significantly difference. Additionally, Obama currently does now have executive experience, DIRECT executive experience in relation to the job.

    I was one of the biggest critics of Obama's experience on this forum in the 2008 election. Frankly, the hypocrites to me would be more the Republicans who made such a big deal about experience nominating someone so woefully underqualified as Cain more so than Democrats who'd have a legitimate argument criticizing Cain's experience when its less historically relevant to the office of the President then even Obama who was arguably the least qualified candidate based on experience ever to win.

    And this isn't just about "experience" in the way its used in most campaigns. Painting a politician as unexperienced is one thing. Its an entirely different thing and more damaging to be able to paint them as someone who doesn't even fit into the realm. It'd be like taking the 15 year tenured local manager of a McDonalds and suggesting him as the Chief of Staff for the White House because he's got experience managing people and thus can do the job.

    To politically involved people, especially partisans looking for a way to justify "their guy" in their minds, things can be contorted easily in their head to directly link him being the CEO of a regional pizza chain to him having relevant experience to run the nation. However, to the average person, that leap is going to look like insanity imho unless its expertly massaged and presented right and I haven't seen anything yet out of Cain to make me think he can sell that to the masses.

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Cain is the GOP flavor of the month in a store full of rotten choices. I like Gary Johnson. What's happened to Ron Paul? Too bright?
    Ron Paul is a nut! Most Americans are slightly conservative, and want a safety net.

    Also, what solutions do Ron Paul have, apart from abolishing everything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    New polls have come out today, showing Herman Cain with large primary leads in West Virginia, North Carolina, Nebraska, and a 24 point lead in his home state of Georgia. This is coupled with some strong momentum in national polling over the last two weeks. So what do you think? Does he have a real chance of winning the nomination or is he just the current holder of the "Anyone but Romney" weak support right now? I personally think he will fade in the coming three months as this "Anyone but Romney" feeling continues to cycle between Gingrich, Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, Cain, and maybe Palin if she decides to run.
    Ya, he's for real. A for real clone of Bush/Obama.

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    They can, correctly, however point out Obama may not have had executive experience in the government but had political experience. They can mock the notion of being the CEO of a Pizza Company is somehow a parrellel to being the chief executive of a nation which functions significantly difference. Additionally, Obama currently does now have executive experience, DIRECT executive experience in relation to the job.
    Obama's only experience is being a senator. That's not impressive!

    Also Herman Cain has much more experience than a CEO of a pizza company. He responds to the critique quite well, and mention the dozens of achievements in his life.

    I was one of the biggest critics of Obama's experience on this forum in the 2008 election. Frankly, the hypocrites to me would be more the Republicans who made such a big deal about experience nominating someone so woefully underqualified as Cain more so than Democrats who'd have a legitimate argument criticizing Cain's experience when its less historically relevant to the office of the President then even Obama who was arguably the least qualified candidate based on experience ever to win.
    Both of them are hypocrites, but what I'm saying is that the management experience of Obama is less than Cain. Hence, they won't be able to criticize Cain for not being experienced enough. Also, Cain can criticize Obama for being a lightweight career politician. Mark my word, the experience tactic will fail in the general election. Most people don't even want a politician.
    Last edited by Camlon; 10-05-11 at 11:25 AM.

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    That's just not true, at all. I mean, its patentedly false. I'm not even sure why to continue to go forward when that line alone obvious shows you're not trying to have any kind of honest discussion but just wanting to hunker down into the world view you've fashioned for yourself.

    Obama spent multiple years in a state legislature, and a number of years in the federal legislature. You're just wrong, factually and completely.
    His experience was in voting "present". His Senate experience consisted of running for president and being against things he then became for once he was president.

    Its not what I want. You asked about a disadvantage. Unless Cain massively was able to spin it expertly, which is yet to be seen so can't be assumed, its likely to be a massive disadvantage based on historical trends in regards to the electorate and their voting record with regards to experience.
    The history is that very few non politicans have run. Who would have guessed that a (R) would ever win Ted Kennedy's old seat? An African American had never won before.

    Cain definitely has potential arguments to make, the problem is making them. Making them in an articulate and knowledgable way that imparts confidence in people regarding their grasp. Obama has, if nothing, a decent grasp of Foreign policy after living it day in day out for the past few years. Cain has little to no experience with it save for a few things he may've read or been told. The presentation of who grasps the situation and understands it better when it gets to the nitty gritty is likely to look decidingly different as already presented in some of Cain's responses concerning foreign policy in the current debates.
    Seems to me the video posted shows that he can indeed make an articulate arguement concerning foriegn policy. Even the left is asking what we are doing in Libya even if they only ask it behind closed doors.

    Not to mention the fact that I don't believe a Republican message of "Bring the troops home" is going to resonate at ALL with anyone outside of their core base as those people aren't going to forget the past 12 years prior where the Republicans were roundly beating the war drums and attacking the patriotism of people calling to "bring the troops home". I could be wrong on that, but I really see zero indication to lead me to believe that somehow this argument would actually win Cain any significant support or votes other than what he'd already have.
    "To get our finances in order, we have no choice but to bring the troops home".

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Cain is the GOP flavor of the month in a store full of rotten choices. I like Gary Johnson. What's happened to Ron Paul? Too bright?
    When Democrats and liberal pundits are on TV touting the value of Ron Paul, its a pretty safe bet that they know who they would like to see run against their guy...

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

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    Cain’s proposal, which he has been touting for several weeks, would restructure the tax code to include a 9 percent corporate flat tax. a 9 percent personal flat tax and a 9 percent national sales tax. Taxes on repatriated profits would also be eliminated along with payroll taxes and the estate tax.

    As for experience, Mr. Herman Cain is the Founder of T.H.E. New Voice Inc., and has been its Chairman of the Board since 2004 and Chief Executive Officer and President since 1996. Mr. Cain served as Chief Executive Officer and President of Digital Restaurant Solutions since July 1999. He served as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Godfather's Pizza, Inc. from 1988 to December 1996 and its President since 1986. He served as Chief Executive Officer and President of National Restaurant ... Association from December 1996 to June 1999. From 1977 to 1988, he joined Pillsbury Company and served as its Vice President of Corporate Systems and Services and served there in Senior position until 1982. He began work at Pillsbury's Burger King Division in 1982. Nine months later, he managed 400 Burger King Units in the Philadelphia region, AGCO Corp.'s poorest performer. in 1988, he led his Executive team in a buyout of AGCO Corp. from Pillsbury. Mr. Cain started his career at the Department of the U.S. Navy, as a Mathematician. Upon completion of his work with the U.S. Navy, he served as a Business Analyst of The Coca-Cola Company. He served as the Chairman of The Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City from 1995 to 1996. He served as Chairman of New Voice, where he developed the organization into a pro-business voice through national debates and speeches concerning healthcare reform, employment policies and taxation. From 1994 to 1995, he served as Chairman of the Board of Directors of National Restaurant Association. In 1999, Mr. Cain sought to leverage his restaurant experience with the technology market and he became CEO and President of Retail DNA. He has been a Director of Aquila Inc. since 1992 and also serves as its Lead Independent Director. He serves as a Director of Hallmark Cards Inc., Godfather's Pizza, Inc. and Retail DNA. He serves as a Director of UtiliCorp. United Inc., a subsidiary of Utilicorp Canada Finance Corp. He serves as Director of Bell Research Companies, Inc. He served as Director of Whirlpool Corp. since April 2005. Mr. Cain served as a Director of AGCO Corp. from December 20, 2004 to March 17, 2011. He served as a Director of Nabisco Holdings Corp. since 1995, National Restaurant Association (NRA) since 1988, Reader's Digest Association Inc. since June 2001 and Whirlpool Corp. from 1992 to December 2003. He served as a Director of Nabisco Inc. of Nabisco Holdings Corp. He served as a Member of The Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City since 1992. He then became a senior advisor to the 1996 Dole/Kemp campaign for the Presidency. He is a Member of the Board of Trustees of Morehouse College. He was appointed to serve on the U.S. Economic Growth and Tax Reform Commission.

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