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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I was a bit disappointed when Caine piled on Perry over the racial slur on a rock thing but all in all I really like him and I bet if Romney wins he picks Cain for VP.
    Yanno thats a strong possibility...good thinkin sawyer...

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I was a bit disappointed when Caine piled on Perry over the racial slur on a rock thing but all in all I really like him and I bet if Romney wins he picks Cain for VP.
    If Romney gets the nomination, Cain will be in charge for getting pizzas for the celebration. That's as close he will get to any ticket. He would be just another Palin.


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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I was a bit disappointed when Caine piled on Perry over the racial slur on a rock thing but all in all I really like him and I bet if Romney wins he picks Cain for VP.
    I'm not sure I agree. Romney is running on his experience in the private sector already, so I don't think he'd want to take another person who is running on private sector experience as his VP. I bet he'd pick someone socially conservative to try to draw votes from Republicans who aren't thrilled with him.
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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    To be honest, I think he got a chance. There hasn't really been that many flavours of the week, apart from the begining.

    Bachmann: When she was doing her best, she only had a positive intensity score of 13 and was polling around 11. This is not a tea party election. Her surge was entirely due to social conservatives finding her more appealing. If Rick Perry didn't come into the race, she would have remained popular among social conervatives. Her fall was mostly due to Rick Perry entering the race.

    Rick Perry: He was next in turn. He was hyped up, and was the natural choice for everyone who didn't want Romney. No one could really know he was that terrible in debating. After tons of screw ups, he has lost all credibility. If he didn't screw up, he would have been the front runner right now.

    Herman Cain: Most of his support is due to Rick Perry screwing up. Republicans are a little bit hesitant to nominate someone without governmental experience, but they like Herman Cain very much.

    If Cain doesn't screw up, then he will have a shot for the nomination, since he has the highest positive intensive score of everyone in the race, he is a good speaker and he has lots of private sector experience. For the Republican party sake, Cain better do well in the future. If he screws up, the Republican party will nominate Mitt Romney, and they will be despirited. If Romney is going to win, he shouldn't win on walkover.

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    Of the other candidates, I think none of them will experience Herman Cains surge.

    Newt Gingrich:: Career politican, had two bad affair, not interesting. Also some of his opinions are quite unpopular. He can not get a surge like Cain, because once he get media attention, he will collapse. nice guy for VP though.

    Rick Santorum:: Too social conservative. I think it has been pretty obvious from this election that fiscal conservativism is more important then being a social conservative. He can only get a surge among social conservartives like bachmann.

    Ron Paul: His opinions won't be able to stand the daylight. It is too easy for media to crush him.

    Jon Huntsman: No explanation needed. No chance, even though I like the guy.

    I think the only ones who got any chance left is Herman Cain and Mitt Romney. I don't think there are going to be any other surges. If Cain screws up, Romney will win. If Cain doesn't screw up, he will have a shot for the nomination. Judging from his media performance the last 2 weeks, he is doing quite well.
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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    It's also kind of weird/disappointing that Huntsman seems to have taken a "I'm too damn sane for these right-wing crazies" campaign strategy. He's way more fiscally conservative than conservatives or misguidedly-adoring liberals give him credit for, yet torpedoed himself and blew what might have been a good chance at the nomination. I don't get it. Maybe he really is more moderate than his record would suggest?
    First, I love that it seems like since the last time we talked you did do some research into Huntsman. I wish more would.

    Second, I kind of wonder if its an issue of being almost too honest (as much as a politician is able to be) for his own good. He breaks with many republicans on global warming and evolution and such and I think it bothers him that based on those type of disagreements he's largely being written off by people. And as such rather than trying to combat it is just embracing it. Which I think is a stupid move, but its the only reason I can kind of figure that is causing it.

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Why exactly would he have a serious disadvantage?
    Cain?

    He's got NO government experience at all, something that is likely to make people seriously stop and pause when it comes to their President. Historically speaking I believe its more than 90% of our Presidents have had either government executive experience or experience as a General...the two components of the job of the POTUS as chief executive of the country and Commander in Chief. From there the next group that is largest represented is senators, being viewed as the next "highest" type of political experience to being an executive of a state/country. Finally, the smallest would be those running as a Representitive.

    Cain would have to buck a 200+ year trend of this country trusting its Presidency to people with relative experience. That alone is a significant disadvantage he would need to overcome on a national level. One of the biggest things Republicans had on Obama last time out was Experience and they drummed it constantly...turning around to place someone with even less relevant experience the following cycle is not going to go well.

    When it comes to foreign policy as well, I believe the gap between Obama and Cain is going to be gigantic and a significant disadvantage for Cain when it came to those things in any kind of debate.

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    If this battle spreads it will only help romny ...and hurt the far right... Has the traditional GOP finally had enough of a handful of teapartiers hijacking the agenda, I think so ...I think theres lots going on behind the GOP scene...that isnt being reported

    A top House Republican on Tuesday attacked conservative tax activist Grover Norquist in a blistering floor speech, saying his no-taxes pledge has “paralyzed” Congress from tackling the deficit.
    In a short but powerful speech, Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.), laid out a remarkable indictment against one of the most powerful figures in conservative politics.


    Frank Wolf rips Grover Norquist for ?paralyzing? Congress - Seung Min Kim - POLITICO.com
    Sigh...remember back when there were no Tea Party politicians and the republicans and democrats worked together to resolve the nations problems...

    Yeah...I dont either.

    A handful of Tea party oriented republicans elected within the last few years oppose the insane spending that has gone on in the fed for decades...and it is the Tea Party's fault. I dont know who is more foolish...the politicians that say it or the muppets that believe it.

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Any reason, depending on the candidate. Bachmann, for example, would start with a really serious disadvantage that she would probably never overcome, no matter how unpopular Obama is. Same with Palin, and to a lesser degree, Perry.
    His name isn't spelled Bachmann and she has no chance. His name isn't Palin nor Perry either. The accusation was that Cain would start with a serious disadvantage. I asked why that would be.

    Now, I then said that nobody that runs against Obama would have a serious disadvantage. Bachmann nor Palin, and it seems less and less likely that Perry will be running against Obama.

    Things can change but it seems right now Romney and Cain are the front runners. Will either be at a serious disadvantage and if you believe so, why?

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Cain?

    He's got NO government experience at all, something that is likely to make people seriously stop and pause when it comes to their President. Historically speaking I believe its more than 90% of our Presidents have had either government executive experience or experience as a General...the two components of the job of the POTUS as chief executive of the country and Commander in Chief. From there the next group that is largest represented is senators, being viewed as the next "highest" type of political experience to being an executive of a state/country. Finally, the smallest would be those running as a Representitive.
    I think right now this can be a major advantage. In the end though, Obama really had no government experience. He really had no practical experience at all. Granted, one can point out how that didn't turn out so well, but Cain does have practicle experience.

    If he would argue that he refuses to be and is running against being another politician, I believe it could make him even more popular. Do you really want another politician running things?

    Cain would have to buck a 200+ year trend of this country trusting its Presidency to people with relative experience. That alone is a significant disadvantage he would need to overcome on a national level. One of the biggest things Republicans had on Obama last time out was Experience and they drummed it constantly...turning around to place someone with even less relevant experience the following cycle is not going to go well.
    Granted being a general does have political implications but Ike was a soldier. You do touch on the Obama thing and that would be the only negative IMO on not having political experience.

    When it comes to foreign policy as well, I believe the gap between Obama and Cain is going to be gigantic and a significant disadvantage for Cain when it came to those things in any kind of debate.
    Obama would have an advantage as far as foriegn policy. But he has got us into another war, bombed Yemen and Cain will be able to argue, how much further are we going to escalate this war that is doing nothing but killing our kids.

    I also believe this will be an election of 75% economy and 20% how do we get our soldiers home with 5% let's blow more people up.

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    Re: Herman Cain: For real or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Cain would have to buck a 200+ year trend of this country trusting its Presidency to people with relative experience. That alone is a significant disadvantage he would need to overcome on a national level. One of the biggest things Republicans had on Obama last time out was Experience and they drummed it constantly...turning around to place someone with even less relevant experience the following cycle is not going to go well.
    That may be true, but Obama supporters can't criticize him for it, because they know that Barack Obama had less management experience than Cain. By discrediting Cain with his political experience, then they will discredit Obama and make themselves look like hypocrites.

    When it comes to foreign policy as well, I believe the gap between Obama and Cain is going to be gigantic and a significant disadvantage for Cain when it came to those things in any kind of debate.
    From what I see, Cain is good enough. He knows more than Perry, and he learns faster. Also, his non-interventionism policy for Libya will be popular.

    If Obama wants to beat Cain, he need to paint Cain as an extremist. To focus on his lack of experience didn't work in 2008 and won't work now either.

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