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    Should the United States employ more referendums?

    It seems to me and many other people who live up here in Canada that the use of referendums in the US is something that doesn't happen very often. In fact almost half of the states don't even have procedural laws regarding referendums.

    So my question to you is, could referendums be used more often in the US to solve many of the national political conflicts there?

    Example, instead of clawing at each others' throats and having Congressmen and Senators bicker and deadlock congress, why not just have a referendum on whether or not to keep Obamacare? Yes or no answer, no one can argue with the results of referendums.
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    Re: Should the United States employ more referendums?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    It seems to me and many other people who live up here in Canada that the use of referendums in the US is something that doesn't happen very often. In fact almost half of the states don't even have procedural laws regarding referendums.

    So my question to you is, could referendums be used more often in the US to solve many of the national political conflicts there?

    Example, instead of clawing at each others' throats and having Congressmen and Senators bicker and deadlock congress, why not just have a referendum on whether or not to keep Obamacare? Yes or no answer, no one can argue with the results of referendums.
    Yeah, 'cause mob rule is always a great idea.

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    Re: Should the United States employ more referendums?

    I would really like to see referendums and recalls done more in the US, but those in power would like block such actions legally if they start to be used.

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    Re: Should the United States employ more referendums?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    It seems to me and many other people who live up here in Canada that the use of referendums in the US is something that doesn't happen very often. In fact almost half of the states don't even have procedural laws regarding referendums.

    So my question to you is, could referendums be used more often in the US to solve many of the national political conflicts there?

    Example, instead of clawing at each others' throats and having Congressmen and Senators bicker and deadlock congress, why not just have a referendum on whether or not to keep Obamacare? Yes or no answer, no one can argue with the results of referendums.

    I say yes.I also support ballot initiatives. But only with the following stipulations-

    1.Votes for national Initiatives and referendums on the federal level must occur on the same day all across the country.

    2. It must not violate the bill of rights. In other words they couldn't ban firearms, religion or anything else that blatantly violates the constitutional bill of rights.


    3. If it something that may require additional funding it must include a way of funding it and if that funding requires a tax increase then that tax increase must affect everyone equally. In other words they could not pass a law that says free college for everyone and a extra 15% tax increase on the rich to fund it.

    4.If its for the removable of a particular politician then on the constituents in that elected official's district can vote to remove that elected official from office and the vote for this can happen on any say since it only effects the politician's district. If it involves the removal of the president then this must occur on the same day all across the country.
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    Re: Should the United States employ more referendums?

    The problem with referendums is that they are usually put there by one side or the other to excite their base and bring them out on election day (where they'll also vote for elected representatives). See the gay marriage referendums that keep happening -- the whole point is to get the Religious Right all worked up so they'll come out and vote (for Republicans).

    Going back and recalling the President or Congress would be contrary to the Constitution. So that sort of thing would require a Constitutional Amendment.


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    Re: Should the United States employ more referendums?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Yeah, 'cause mob rule is always a great idea.

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    Mob rule? Elections to you is mob rule? Yes all you have to vote for are crooked idiots but I'd hardly call it mob rule. Instead of having the crooked idiots decide what they think is best for you, have a referendum and decide whats best for you yourself. I hardly see this as mob rule.
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    Re: Should the United States employ more referendums?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    It seems to me and many other people who live up here in Canada that the use of referendums in the US is something that doesn't happen very often. In fact almost half of the states don't even have procedural laws regarding referendums.

    So my question to you is, could referendums be used more often in the US to solve many of the national political conflicts there?

    Example, instead of clawing at each others' throats and having Congressmen and Senators bicker and deadlock congress, why not just have a referendum on whether or not to keep Obamacare? Yes or no answer, no one can argue with the results of referendums.
    The idea sounds appealing, but it did not work for California and, in fact, is one their primary problems when it comes to budgetting. I am wary of this.

    Probably the best application of this sort of thing is by using it to nullify laws, but not enact new ones.

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    Re: Should the United States employ more referendums?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The idea sounds appealing, but it did not work for California and, in fact, is one their primary problems when it comes to budgetting. I am wary of this.

    Probably the best application of this sort of thing is by using it to nullify laws, but not enact new ones.
    This is why ballot initiatives and referendums should include a means of funding.
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    Re: Should the United States employ more referendums?

    I support ballot initiatives on the State level but I don't want to see National ones because it would be circumventing the Constitution that makes us a Democratic Republic and not a straight Democracy, because they always fail, and it becomes mob rule.

    Everyone knows that mobs often get it wrong, because they don't think for themselves.

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    Re: Should the United States employ more referendums?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    It seems to me and many other people who live up here in Canada that the use of referendums in the US is something that doesn't happen very often. In fact almost half of the states don't even have procedural laws regarding referendums.

    So my question to you is, could referendums be used more often in the US to solve many of the national political conflicts there?

    Example, instead of clawing at each others' throats and having Congressmen and Senators bicker and deadlock congress, why not just have a referendum on whether or not to keep Obamacare? Yes or no answer, no one can argue with the results of referendums.
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