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If Christie runs, will he win the Republican nomination for president?

If Christie runs, will he win the Republican nomination for president?


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And in response to the rest of your response, let me expand a bit and maybe you will understand what I am saying. Not everyone who opposes Romney is anti-mormon. I can see where Romney would not be well-liked amongst the ultra-right voters who's primary agenda is the right-wing social agenda....and it has nothing to do with Mormononism, it has to do with the fact that Romney is a lot more moderate on social issues than they want in a candidate. However, there is also a strong anti-mormon bent in the evangelical community.


A lot of evangelicals are conservative. So that means that because Romney is a liberal he is the last person they would elect to office.

Evangelicals have never recognzed Mormons as "Christians" because Mormons do not fit within their view of what it means to be "Christian".

Most evangelicals do not recognize Catholics as Christians either but they somehow manage to get elected.

The hatred for Mormons among evangelicals is not a secret.

Not recognizing a group of people as part of a religion does not equal hatred.

It is widely known. Which is why I am saying that IF the choice comes down essentially to Romney or Christie, the evangelicals will hold their nose and vote for Christie, because they cannot stomach the idea of a Mormon President. Its not because Christie is any more "Conservative" than Romney

They are both liberal.Romney happens to be a bigger liberal.SO if evangelicals vote for Christie it will be due to the fact they view one as the lesser of two evils political wise, not because of some notion you have that they hate people of other religions.
 
A lot of evangelicals are conservative. So that means that because Romney is a liberal he is the last person they would elect to office.



Most evangelicals do not recognize Catholics as Christians either but they somehow manage to get elected.



Not recognizing a group of people as part of a religion does not equal hatred.



They are both liberal.Romney happens to be a bigger liberal.SO if evangelicals vote for Christie it will be due to the fact they view one as the lesser of two evils political wise, not because of some notion you have that they hate people of other religions.

First of all, neither Romney nor Christie are "liberals". They aren't even really "moderates", unless of course you are to the ultra right of the right-wing and then perhaps you might view them as "moderate". Most political insiders would rate both as moderate to conservative.

Second, I'm no Mormon supporter, however, you are aware, are you not, that most anti-Mormon propoganda is put out by evangelical groups. That is more than "not recognizing a group as part of your religion". Evangelical hatred of Mormons is widespread and has been for decades. Do a little research on anti-mormon propoganda, I think your eyes will be opened a bit. They've even gone so far as to say "A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for Satan"....hmmmmmm.....sounds like hatred to me.
 
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I live in New Jersey and voted for Chris Christie when he ran for Governor.

Mistake.

Since Christie has taken office he has done nothing more than issue false promises and go back on the ones he made before he was elected. Due to his policies Camden has lost many of its police officers, Trenton has laid off half of its force and many other police departments have had to cut back on protecting their citizens. Teachers have also been victims of his massive cuts into our education system which have increased our unemployment rate and damaged our young peoples' potential. While small government is effective in many places, the least we can ask of our elected officials is to be honest about what they will do when elected.

Christie wrote letters to the state PBA and our teachers promising that he would not allow lay offs or cuts if he were elected. This was a lie. Due to his policies crime has risen and cities like Newark, Trenton, Paterson, and Camden are bordering on being absolute hopeless places. People cannot venture outside without the fear of being robbed, raped, or murdered. Newark has laid off Police Officers and has seen a rise in crime that makes it comparable to its days as a crime capital of the country in the early 1990s. Jersey City has also been starved by Christie's policies to the point of having to lay off officers and now has severe gaps in police coverage in what is a dangerous city.

Not to mention...

How can we trust a President to make critical decisions, if he couldn't even easily decide if he wanted to be President?
 
First of all, neither Romney nor Christie are "liberals".

Yes they are.

They aren't even really "moderates", unless of course you are to the ultra right of the right-wing and then perhaps you might view them as "moderate". Most political insiders would rate both as moderate to conservative.

No conservative is for gay marriage,legalized abortion, believes in the man made global warming fairy tale religion, supports illegal immigration, supports Obama or Romney care, or supports anti-2nd amendment laws. These are liberal positions, not conservative positions. The only people calling them moderates or conservatives are either liberals who are lying or idiots.


Second, I'm no Mormon supporter, however, you are aware, are you not, that most anti-Mormon propoganda is put out by evangelical groups. That is more than "not recognizing a group as part of your religion". Evangelical hatred of Mormons is widespread and has been for decades. Do a little research on anti-mormon propoganda, I think your eyes will be opened a bit. They've even gone so far as to say "A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for Satan"....hmmmmmm.....sounds like hatred to me.

Most likely those people are fringe lunatics. Not evangelicals in general/
 
Yes they are.



No conservative is for gay marriage,legalized abortion, believes in the man made global warming fairy tale religion, supports illegal immigration, supports Obama or Romney care, or supports anti-2nd amendment laws. These are liberal positions, not conservative positions. The only people calling them moderates or conservatives are either liberals who are lying or idiots.




Most likely those people are fringe lunatics. Not evangelicals in general/

Trying to label Romney and Christie as "liberal" simply shows how extremist you are. Thank you for displaying that for anyone who didn't already know.
 
Trying to label Romney and Christie as "liberal" simply shows how extremist you are. Thank you for displaying that for anyone who didn't already know.

Are any liberal politicians who identifies themselves as a liberals and actually for the 2nd amendment(meaning they do not support any infringements or any other anti-2nd amendment law), against abortion, against gay marriage, knows that climate change is something that occurs naturally regardless of how minute or severe those changes are,against Obama care and Romney care, against socialized medicine in any form, and against illegal immigration?
 
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Are any liberal politicians actually for the 2nd amendment(meaning they do not support any infringements or any other anti-2nd amendment law), against abortion, against gay marriage, knows that climate change is something that occurs naturally regardless of how minute or severe those changes are,against Obama care and Romney care, against socialized medicine in any form, and against illegal immigration?

All of those things or just one of them? You'd have to be semi-crazy to be for all of them. Also, the highlighted part... really? Because you say so or 2% of climatologists do? I think you could find plenty of liberals who agree with at least one of those. In fact, Obama's record on gun control has been a conservative wet dream.
 
All of those things or just one of them?

All of them.

You'd have to be semi-crazy to be for all of them.

No you don't. These are just some of the things conservatives support, which is the opposite of what liberals support.

Because you say so or 2% of climatologists do?

Climate change has been going on for billions of years on this planet regardless of how minute or severe those changes are.So there is no valid reason to believe that now would be any different.


In fact, Obama's record on gun control has been a conservative wet dream.

Obama has a anti-2nd amendment history. So logic would dictate that he would do the same think while president..

These are things that **** on the 2nd amendment.
http://www.ontheissues.org/barack_obama.htm#Gun_Control
Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions. (Aug 2008)
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
April 2008: "Bittergate" labeled Obama elitist. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)

Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
 
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I live in New Jersey and voted for Chris Christie when he ran for Governor.

Mistake.

Since Christie has taken office he has done nothing more than issue false promises and go back on the ones he made before he was elected. Due to his policies Camden has lost many of its police officers, Trenton has laid off half of its force and many other police departments have had to cut back on protecting their citizens. Teachers have also been victims of his massive cuts into our education system which have increased our unemployment rate and damaged our young peoples' potential. While small government is effective in many places, the least we can ask of our elected officials is to be honest about what they will do when elected.

Christie wrote letters to the state PBA and our teachers promising that he would not allow lay offs or cuts if he were elected. This was a lie. Due to his policies crime has risen and cities like Newark, Trenton, Paterson, and Camden are bordering on being absolute hopeless places. People cannot venture outside without the fear of being robbed, raped, or murdered. Newark has laid off Police Officers and has seen a rise in crime that makes it comparable to its days as a crime capital of the country in the early 1990s. Jersey City has also been starved by Christie's policies to the point of having to lay off officers and now has severe gaps in police coverage in what is a dangerous city.

Not to mention...

How can we trust a President to make critical decisions, if he couldn't even easily decide if he wanted to be President?

i like christie for all of the reasons you oppose him

NJ was spending way beyond its means. rather than getting its budget back in check, the previous politicians kicked that can down the road by doing things such as not funding its pension plan
year after year
and the problem was getting more and more unmanageable while the politicians refused to address the real issue: too much spending for the available tax base
little different than our nation's fiscal mismanagement since reagan ... only without the fed's ability to print money to further postpone our country's day of reckoning

don't misunderstand me. christie is no diplomat. he is actually a dick; youtubes will put that bullying 'quality' on display. as a union official, i resent his heavy handed dealings with labor. but we need straight shooters in office in these hard times. and christie is nothing if not blunt

seems preliminary reports indicate christie's 1pm announcement is to say he will not run. that is unfortunate. he was one of the few republicans i might vote for instead of Obama. and i believe there are many in the middle, like me, who would do the same
that can't be said for romney. as someone mentioned, he is a republican kerry - with the added baggage of being too mormon. un-electable

i fear palin will now jump in and motivate the teabaggers to nominate her as much as that will cause the great majority of Americans to be forced to re-elect Obama - by default

the only way the republicans can salvage this election is to give Gary Johnson some air time. like christie, as gov of NM Johnson did what he promised in his campaigns to do. and left the office with the state in a sound fiscal condition
a fiscal conservative and social liberal, Gary Johnson - again, like christie - would steal the votes of centrist Americans ... votes that will otherwise elect Obama

looks like Obama will win 2012 only because the republicans cannot find an electable candidate. not unlike the democrats of humphrey, mcgovern, mondale, dukakis, gore, and kerry ...
the gop needs to wake up and realize that romney is another bob dole - only with less charisma
 
Its likely that Christie, like many other of the top-tier GOP possibilities are seeing the light and deciding that running in 2016 is a better option.

most likely correct. i'm curious about the fields of both parties in '16. i tend to doubt Biden will make a go of it. that would make it a wide open race.
 
most likely correct. i'm curious about the fields of both parties in '16. i tend to doubt Biden will make a go of it. that would make it a wide open race.

I agree, 2016 looks like an interesting year. With Obama likely to be re-elected in 2012, both parties will be wide open. Biden won't run, and it is unlikely that Hilary will run as she will be a bit old (ala John McCain).

2016 looks like a lot better year for the GOP than 2012 does. However, it will all depend upon what Obama does in a second term and whether the electorate wants to change course....a lot of the potential front running 2016 seem to be banking on 2016 and foregoing 2012.

2012 is Romney's last chance. He wouldn't be seriously considered in 2016 even if he chose to run again.
 
most likely correct. i'm curious about the fields of both parties in '16. i tend to doubt Biden will make a go of it. that would make it a wide open race.

Elizabeth Warren in 2016 ... let the campaign begin now
 
Does this video change the opinion of those who want Christie to run for President?? :mrgreen:

 
i like christie for all of the reasons you oppose him

NJ was spending way beyond its means. rather than getting its budget back in check, the previous politicians kicked that can down the road by doing things such as not funding its pension plan
year after year
and the problem was getting more and more unmanageable while the politicians refused to address the real issue: too much spending for the available tax base
little different than our nation's fiscal mismanagement since reagan ... only without the fed's ability to print money to further postpone our country's day of reckoning

don't misunderstand me. christie is no diplomat. he is actually a dick; youtubes will put that bullying 'quality' on display. as a union official, i resent his heavy handed dealings with labor. but we need straight shooters in office in these hard times. and christie is nothing if not blunt

seems preliminary reports indicate christie's 1pm announcement is to say he will not run. that is unfortunate. he was one of the few republicans i might vote for instead of Obama. and i believe there are many in the middle, like me, who would do the same
that can't be said for romney. as someone mentioned, he is a republican kerry - with the added baggage of being too mormon. un-electable

i fear palin will now jump in and motivate the teabaggers to nominate her as much as that will cause the great majority of Americans to be forced to re-elect Obama - by default

the only way the republicans can salvage this election is to give Gary Johnson some air time. like christie, as gov of NM Johnson did what he promised in his campaigns to do. and left the office with the state in a sound fiscal condition
a fiscal conservative and social liberal, Gary Johnson - again, like christie - would steal the votes of centrist Americans ... votes that will otherwise elect Obama

looks like Obama will win 2012 only because the republicans cannot find an electable candidate. not unlike the democrats of humphrey, mcgovern, mondale, dukakis, gore, and kerry ...
the gop needs to wake up and realize that romney is another bob dole - only with less charisma

But even if you agree with his policies and decisions, the man has lied. He openly lied about what he would do if elected and promised not to slash the police, teachers, and public workers. That does not sound like a straight shooter to me. He starves towns and cities of the resources they need to continue employing public workers and then claimed it wasn't him when the people go without jobs.
 
I know the liberals on the forum will not like this statement..but I calls it like I sees it...disclaimer: Im wrong a whole lot too :)

I think Christie or Romny beats Obama...obamas only chance that I see is if a far right nutter gets the nod and thats getting more unlikely all the time.
 
Elizabeth Warren in 2016 ... let the campaign begin now

I do like that ---- very much actualy. First - Senator from Massachusetts in 2012.
 
I know the liberals on the forum will not like this statement..but I calls it like I sees it...disclaimer: Im wrong a whole lot too :)

I think Christie or Romny beats Obama...obamas only chance that I see is if a far right nutter gets the nod and thats getting more unlikely all the time.

I don't know that I would go so far as to say that Christie/Romney "beat" Obama, but they certainly would make it a race. You are correct that the outliers pretty much ensure a second Obama term, which is why I'm supporting either Perry/Bachman/Cain/Palin for the GOP nod.
 
I don't know that I would go so far as to say that Christie/Romney "beat" Obama, but they certainly would make it a race. You are correct that the outliers pretty much ensure a second Obama term, which is why I'm supporting either Perry/Bachman/Cain/Palin for the GOP nod.

Neither of your choices have a shot as far as im concerned...bachman is done...Palin is done...neither will be vice presidents....but heres what to look out for big time....
Romny/chrisite or/Rubio Cain/Christie or Rubio.....if that happens obama is in deep deep doodoo
 
I could support a Christie/Rubio ticket. Right now, all the GOP is offering up is a bunch of joke politicians that won't stand a chance against Obama. If they intend on even standing a chance of winning they need to appeal to the moderates and independants. Those are the voters who always decide the outcome. Yet, they still insist on sucking up to the wingnuts. Yet ANOTHER GOP dumbass move.
 
I could support a Christie/Rubio ticket. Right now, all the GOP is offering up is a bunch of joke politicians that won't stand a chance against Obama. If they intend on even standing a chance of winning they need to appeal to the moderates and independants. Those are the voters who always decide the outcome. Yet, they still insist on sucking up to the wingnuts. Yet ANOTHER GOP dumbass move.

I suspect you might have half the ticket there.... at least the lower half. Rubio would be my odds on favorite for the VP slot.
 
I could support a Christie/Rubio ticket. Right now, all the GOP is offering up is a bunch of joke politicians that won't stand a chance against Obama. If they intend on even standing a chance of winning they need to appeal to the moderates and independants. Those are the voters who always decide the outcome. Yet, they still insist on sucking up to the wingnuts. Yet ANOTHER GOP dumbass move.

I would not support a christie/rubio ticket...both of them "OWE" their stature to the teaparty and they would both be pawns for their whims in my opinion.
You are correct the GOP field other than romney are jokes....romny is the only one that will appeal to moderates and independents and will have more of a mind of his own than christie or rubio could...thats why the far right nutters dont want romney....Christies positions and history are just as moderate and liberal and romneys and in some areas more so...the teaparty hawked him because they can control him...
 
Now that he's help a press conference to politely say, "LEAVE ME THE F ALONE, TEA BONES, I AM NOT YOU!!!!".... can we close this thread?
 
Romney Rubio is probably the ticket that has the best chance of beating Obumble

Another strong ticket would be Romney Portman-two guys who really understand Budget issues and both are far smarter than Obama and Biden
 
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