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If Christie runs, will he win the Republican nomination for president?

If Christie runs, will he win the Republican nomination for president?

  • Yes, he will be the Republican nominee

    Votes: 8 23.5%

  • No, he will not be the Republican nominee

    Votes: 26 76.5%
  • Total voters
    34
  • Poll closed .
Guy Incognito said:
:roll: You're clearly a left-wing partisan.



I'm a libertarian partisan. I'm looking at it objectively when I say that Romney would crush Obama in a general election. Romney is more of a centrist than Obama, elections usually go to the centrist candidate. Romney is stronger on the economy than Obama, and the economy is the central issue of this election. Obama cannot win on those terms. The only shot Obama has is if a Tea Party candidate gets the nomination, which would make Obama look like a level-headed centrist by comparison.



There's an old slogan, "It's the economy, stupid."

It's the economy, Risky Thicket.
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Instead of playing smack, let's just get to it. Explain to me specifically how Romney will reverse the economy. Give me details. I'll read every word and if you convince me I'll say be honest about it and admit it. You see something I don't see. Maybe you are correct. I can be wrong. Spell it out for me in detail, I'll read every word.
 
"Though shalt not speak ill of another Republican", remember?


LOL! Damned if that ain't the truth, and one of the major reasons I left the GOP. I've noticed that more than a few Democrats aren't afraid to speak out against Obama, and rightfully so. By the same token the GOP will not tolerate questionable comments about Republicans from members of the GOP. Romney therefore is most worthy and so are Palin and Bachmann and Perry and Cain and West and whoever else they can think of...except Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. They won't speak at all about Paul and Johnson. <at this moment hundreds of GOP partisans are searching to find who Johnson is and why the GOP directs them not to like him>
 
Guy Incognito said:
:roll: You're clearly a left-wing partisan.



I'm a libertarian partisan. I'm looking at it objectively when I say that Romney would crush Obama in a general election. Romney is more of a centrist than Obama, elections usually go to the centrist candidate. Romney is stronger on the economy than Obama, and the economy is the central issue of this election. Obama cannot win on those terms. The only shot Obama has is if a Tea Party candidate gets the nomination, which would make Obama look like a level-headed centrist by comparison.



There's an old slogan, "It's the economy, stupid."

It's the economy, Risky Thicket.
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Problems for Mitt Romney:
  • RomneyCare
  • Bain Capital
  • Mornonism
  • Flip Flopper
  • Boring...
 
What if...? said:
No Republican is going to speak out about his weight.

"Though shalt not speak ill of another Republican", remember?

The new one is:

"We don't attack, but we don't back down", this is from Luntz, so expect to see it around.
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Oh, I see. Although Dems are actually expressing concern about Christie's weight while Republicans aren't, GOPers are thinking this too and thinking it much louder. ;)
 
pbrauer said:
Problems for Mitt Romney:
  • RomneyCare
  • Bain Capital
  • Mornonism
  • Flip Flopper
  • Boring...
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I think those first four items are less of a problem than you might think, especially in the general election. The last one is indeed a big liability for Romney; his personality is not exactly appealing to most voters. He reminds me a lot of another candidate from Massachusetts, John Kerry...who lost an election he should have won, largely because of his personality. That's not to say that Romney would necessarily lose a general election (as conditions in the country are far worse today than in 2004), but it's definitely a big albatross around his neck.
 
upsideguy said:
I spent 10 years of my career acquiring companies... I understand how to find "synergies", which is often a euphemism for cutting redundant overhead. When we sold our company in 2008, Bain Capital was one of the suitors, so I also understand how they work. They specialized in wholesale foreign outsourcing of business functions. IMHO, there is a huge difference between making the combined operations of a merged company more efficient and the complete dismantling of our economic infrastructure, which was the final result of rampant outsourcing. In that regard, however, I can not blame Romney. Instead I blame tax and other governmental policies plus an electorate that is completely asleep at the wheel that allowed this rape and pillage to occur.
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Hear Hear...that was powerful...my hats off to you
 
nota bene said:
Which Republicans have spoken up about Christie's weight? So far as I can see, Democrats seem more concerned than Republicans.

Christie?s weight takes center stage - On Media - POLITICO.com
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1. A lot of Republicans have never seen anything other than a head shot of the guy and don't know how morbidly obese the guy is. They have not seen the clips of the guy getting out of breath walking a few yards.

2. Almost every successful politician is a fitness junkie. Obama is in the gym every day. Bush was very fit, biked and ran often. Clinton was an eater, but still jogged, and is now a vegan. Perry exercises regularly. Romney is obviously fit. Paul Ryan is a huge p90x guru. Scott Brown does triathlons. Reagan was obviously very fit for his age. Hucklebee lost over a 100 pounds before he ran in 2008.

Can you think of one morbidly obese world leader today?
 
Hmm I read a very interesting take on Christie and his supporters. The gop right does not want Romney but they know hes looking more like the nomimee...they dont believe they can control him in office and bend him to their will. Christie while knowing his liberal in some areas can beat romney and they can promote christie via the right media outlets...the big guys will shower christie with Gifts and donations and sing songs of praise to make him beholding...then if he wins mold him into what they want him to be.....and that makes sense to me to a degree....
 
pbrauer said:
Problems for Mitt Romney:
  • RomneyCare
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  • Not a problem in a general election.

    pbrauer said:
    [*]Bain Capital
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    That's more of an asset than a problem.

    pbrauer said:
    [*]Mornonism
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    Ugly business, but yes, anti-Mormon bigots may have a problem with Romney. Again, that's likely to be a primary issue, not a general election issue.

    pbrauer said:
    [*]Flip Flopper
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    Him and every other politician. Trust me, Obama isn't going to use that criticism against Romney in the general election, since it open Obama up to the same charge. Obama flip-flopped on the war, gitmo, civil liberties, etc. He's a much worse flip flopper.

    pbrauer said:
    [*]Boring...
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Obama is vulnerable. Boring is what is necessary to win against him. Tea-party crazy may be interesting, but it is not going to unseat Obama.
 
The ONLY way that Christie gets the nomination is IF Romney starts winning. Christie is only palatable to the wacko right-wing as an alternative to Romney....otherwise the radical right-wing base of the party will push for one of the more fringe candidates like Bachman or Perry....and Palin (when she decides to run).
 
disneydude said:
The ONLY way that Christie gets the nomination is IF Romney starts winning. Christie is only palatable to the wacko right-wing as an alternative to Romney....otherwise the radical right-wing base of the party will push for one of the more fringe candidates like Bachman or Perry....and Palin (when she decides to run).
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How is Christie more Palatable than Romney to those who are opposed to liberal idiocy? He is anti-2nd amendment, he comments on illegal immigration suggest he is for illegal immigration, he is for civil unions which is a paper coated term for marriage,and he believes in the man made global warming fairy tale religion.These are views a liberal idiot supports not a conservative.
 
jamesrage said:
How is Christie more Palatable than Romney to those who are opposed to liberal idiocy? He is anti-2nd amendment, he comments on illegal immigration suggest he is for illegal immigration, he is for civil unions which is a paper coated term for marriage,and he believes in the man made global warming fairy tale religion.These are views a liberal idiot supports not a conservative.
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That you JR....you just proved my point. The radical right-wing will oppose Christie in the same way that the oppose Romney. The difference is that evangelicals hate mormons more than muslims and will support Christie if the alternative is Romney.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Not a problem in a general election.



That's more of an asset than a problem.



Ugly business, but yes, anti-Mormon bigots may have a problem with Romney. Again, that's likely to be a primary issue, not a general election issue.



Him and every other politician. Trust me, Obama isn't going to use that criticism against Romney in the general election, since it open Obama up to the same charge. Obama flip-flopped on the war, gitmo, civil liberties, etc. He's a much worse flip flopper.



Obama is vulnerable. Boring is what is necessary to win against him. Tea-party crazy may be interesting, but it is not going to unseat Obama.
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Guy, you may have missed it, but in an earlier post you told me that Romney was the only man capable of saving the nation from greater economic peril. You said:
Romney is stronger on the economy than Obama, and the economy is the central issue of this election. Obama cannot win on those terms.
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I don't know that that is true. You obviously know more about it than I do. Clue me up. Tell me how you know that Romney is stronger on the economy than Obama. How are they different, and what will the results be under Romney. I'll read every word you post on the matter.
 
disneydude said:
That you JR....you just proved my point. The radical right-wing will oppose Christie in the same way that the oppose Romney. The difference is that evangelicals hate mormons more than muslims and will support Christie if the alternative is Romney.
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So you are saying you would support a democrat candidate who is actually pro-2nd amendment, believes that global warming is something that occurs naturally regardless of how minute or severe those changes are, against gay marriages, and against illegal immigration and that anyone who wouldn't support him is a left wing loony?
 
jamesrage said:
So you are saying you would support a democrat candidate who is actually pro-2nd amendment, believes that global warming is something that occurs naturally regardless of how minute or severe those changes are, against gay marriages, and against illegal immigration and that anyone who wouldn't support him is a left wing loony?
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You are missing the point. I'm not saying the the radical right will LOVE Christie....but if it comes down to Christie or Romney, they will throw their support to Christie in a heartbeat. The evangelical hatred of mormons is waaaaay too strong....that they would ever allow Romney the nomination. Its just that simple.
 
disneydude said:
You are missing the point. I'm not saying the the radical right will LOVE Christie....but if it comes down to Christie or Romney, they will throw their support to Christie in a heartbeat. The evangelical hatred of mormons is waaaaay too strong....that they would ever allow Romney the nomination. Its just that simple.
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Romney is just as liberal as Christie.
Romney favors pact by states on emissions - The Boston Globe
Massachusetts health care reform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Mitt Romney Deception


People oppose Romney because he is a lib not because he claims to be a Mormon. So I ask you this question again- So you are saying you would support a democrat candidate who is actually pro-2nd amendment, against abortion, believes that global warming is something that occurs naturally regardless of how minute or severe those changes are, against gay marriages, and against illegal immigration and that anyone who wouldn't support him is a left wing loony? No democrat and no lib in their right mind would vote for a democrat who had those views unless they were die hard party idiots who could care less how conservative that democrat is.
 
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I voted "No." I believe that when his beliefs become better known, many conservatives will not vote for him.
 
jamesrage said:
Romney is just as liberal as Christie.
Romney favors pact by states on emissions - The Boston Globe
Massachusetts health care reform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Mitt Romney Deception


People oppose Romney because he is a lib not because he claims to be a Mormon. So I ask you this question again- So you are saying you would support a democrat candidate who is actually pro-2nd amendment, against abortion, believes that global warming is something that occurs naturally regardless of how minute or severe those changes are, against gay marriages, and against illegal immigration and that anyone who wouldn't support him is a left wing loony? No democrat and no lib in their right mind would vote for a democrat who had those views unless they were die hard party idiots who could care less how conservative that democrat is.
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Again, JR....I think you are missing the point. I'm in agreement with you that Romney and Christie are very similar idealogically. What I am saying is that if the GOP decides that a far-right candidate like Bachman or Perry gets slaughtered in the general election...and decide the go with someone who might actually win in the general election, they are likely to go with Romney. This is Christie's only shot. He will not win the nomination if it is Christie v. Perry, or Christie v. Bachman or Christie v. Palin. Christie only gets the nomination if the GOP recognizes that a far-right candidate will lose in the general election and at that point Christie is the lesser of two evils to most the right-wing.

As for your second question, I can't answer it unless you give me that alternative. There are scenarios under which I would vote for the candidate that you are proposing. Obviously, that person would not be my main choice, but if the alternative was worse, then yes, I would vote for them under that scenario.
 
disneydude said:
Again, JR....I think you are missing the point. I'm in agreement with you that Romney and Christie are very similar idealogically. What I am saying is that if the GOP decides that a far-right candidate like Bachman or Perry gets slaughtered in the general election...and decide the go with someone who might actually win in the general election, they are likely to go with Romney. This is Christie's only shot. He will not win the nomination if it is Christie v. Perry, or Christie v. Bachman or Christie v. Palin. Christie only gets the nomination if the GOP recognizes that a far-right candidate will lose in the general election and at that point Christie is the lesser of two evils to most the right-wing.
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The only thing you are trying to do is paint anyone against Romney as a anti-Mormon bigot, just like Romney does to explain why he lost the last presidential primary election instead of the fact he is one the biggest liberals in the primary.

As for your second question, I can't answer it unless you give me that alternative. There are scenarios under which I would vote for the candidate that you are proposing. Obviously, that person would not be my main choice, but if the alternative was worse, then yes, I would vote for them under that scenario.
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So in other words to maintain you lets paint people opposed to Romney or Christie as anti-religious bigots lie you are going to refuse to answer the question. Its not that hard of a question. Either you would not vote for a candidate like that or you would. if you are a die hard party retard then sure you would vote for him or her regardless of how conservative or liberal that democrats views are.
 
jamesrage said:
The only thing you are trying to do is paint anyone against Romney as a anti-Mormon bigot, just like Romney does to explain why he lost the last presidential primary election instead of the fact he is one the biggest liberals in the primary.



So in other words to maintain you lets paint people opposed to Romney or Christie as anti-religious bigots lie you are going to refuse to answer the question. Its not that hard of a question. Either you would not vote for a candidate like that or you would. if you are a die hard party retard then sure you would vote for him or her regardless of how conservative or liberal that democrats views are.
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LOL....hardly JR.

You are asking me a question like: "Would you choose an apple?"....over what? An orange....or a different type of apple. I'm sorry...but they way you phrased the question is poor. I answered it the best I could. Yes, I would choose your created candidate in the scenario, if the alternative was worse. If there was a better alternative, I would choose the better alternative.

Take 2004 for example. I didn't particularly like Kerry.....he was my third or fourth choice in the primaries, but against GW Goofball.....it was a no-brainer.


And BTW....I'm not saying everyone that opposes Romney is anti-mormon. That aside....the evanagelical right is never going to allow a mormon to get the nomination. That is just a fact.
 
disneydude said:
LOL....hardly JR.

You are asking me a question like: "Would you choose an apple?"....over what? An orange....or a different type of apple. I'm sorry...but they way you phrased the question is poor. I answered it the best I could. Yes, I would choose your created candidate in the scenario, if the alternative was worse. If there was a better alternative, I would choose the better alternative.
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You were just trying to weasel out of answering the question.

Take 2004 for example. I didn't particularly like Kerry.....he was my third or fourth choice in the primaries, but against GW Goofball.....it was a no-brainer.
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I didn't like McCain or Obama.Obama is obviously a liberal and McCain is a rino who supports illegal immigration. So I didn't vote for either.Since my state screws third party candidates I like that part on the ballot blank and voted for everything else on the ballot.

And BTW....I'm not saying everyone that opposes Romney is anti-mormon.
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Yes you are.

"That you JR....you just proved my point. The radical right-wing will oppose Christie in the same way that the oppose Romney. The difference is that evangelicals hate mormons more than muslims and will support Christie if the alternative is Romney."

That aside....the evanagelical right is never going to allow a mormon to get the nomination. That is just a fact.
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That is not a fact.That is an opinion mostly formed by libs trying to smear and guilt the other side into voting for a lib and a few nuts.
 
Sorry....but you are wrong.

If you look carefully, you will see that I did in fact answer your question. I said that I would vote for that candidate unless there was a better alternative. How else do you expect someone to answer the question. Its like you are asking "What's the difference between".

And in response to the rest of your response, let me expand a bit and maybe you will understand what I am saying. Not everyone who opposes Romney is anti-mormon. I can see where Romney would not be well-liked amongst the ultra-right voters who's primary agenda is the right-wing social agenda....and it has nothing to do with Mormononism, it has to do with the fact that Romney is a lot more moderate on social issues than they want in a candidate. However, there is also a strong anti-mormon bent in the evangelical community. Evangelicals have never recognzed Mormons as "Christians" because Mormons do not fit within their view of what it means to be "Christian". The hatred for Mormons among evangelicals is not a secret. It is widely known. Which is why I am saying that IF the choice comes down essentially to Romney or Christie, the evangelicals will hold their nose and vote for Christie, because they cannot stomach the idea of a Mormon President. Its not because Christie is any more "Conservative" than Romney.
 
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