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    Poll: Should President Obama Be Impeached? Read on...

    Pretty strong opinions on the thread about al-alwaki's assassination in light of his being an American citizen. How about a poll: Should the President be impeached?

    Early last year, the President put Al-alwaki on the CIA's Kill List, at their request. That was well reported in the news. Al-alwaki's father, together with the ACLU, brought a suit against the government on the grounds that Al-alwaki is a US citizen. The US District Court threw out the case:

    "There are circumstances in which the (president's) unilateral decision to kill a U.S. citizen overseas is constitutionally committed to the political branches and judicially unreviewable," U.S. District Judge John Bates concluded last year. In his 83-page decision last December, Bates dismissed an effort by al-Awlaki's father and civil liberties groups to block, in essence, al-Awlaki's execution. While acknowledging many "stark and perplexing questions," Bates said he lacked the authority to get involved.

    Read more: Some question president's power to kill a US citizen overseas - KansasCity.com
    Congressional hearings were held on the matter earlier this year:

    At a U.S. congressional hearing this year, Michael Leiter, director of the National Counterterrorism Center, said, "I actually consider al Qaeda in the Arab Peninsula, with al-Awlaki as a leader within that organization, as probably the most significant threat to the U.S."
    U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed, Yemen says - Iowa State Daily: World

    What've we got?
    • A US Citizen who was identified by the CIA as kill-worthy in the war on terror.
    • A Lawsuit brought about to "stay the execution" dismissed by the US District Court with an opinion that says that courts have no authority in the matter.
    • Hearings held making Congress aware of the kill order, apparently without uproar.

    I vote "No" above. You?

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    Re: Poll: Should President Obama Be Impeached? Read on...

    No, from your link:

    Quote Originally Posted by kansascity.com
    More specifically, the Obama administration finds justification through the two-page Authorization for Use of Military Force introduced on Sept. 14, 2001, and signed by President George W. Bush four days later.

    The bill authorized action against those who "planned, authorized, committed or aided the (9/11) terrorist attacks." A decade later, the Obama administration contends that this wartime authority remains even if it's evolved for reasons the administration won't fully elucidate.


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    Re: Poll: Should President Obama Be Impeached? Read on...

    Obama should be impeached because...

    1) He violated the War Powers Act.

    2) He usurped the presidency.

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    Re: Poll: Should President Obama Be Impeached? Read on...

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Pretty strong opinions on the thread about al-alwaki's assassination in light of his being an American citizen. How about a poll: Should the President be impeached?
    Not for this. But in general, for the exceptionally grave damage he has done to the US economy, Yes! :-)

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    Re: Poll: Should President Obama Be Impeached? Read on...

    I would be happy with congress or the courts officially determining that the Constitution has supremacy over a presidential hit list.

    don't care about impeachment.. I care about allowing Americans to be assassinated at the behest of the NSC without due process.

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    Re: Poll: Should President Obama Be Impeached? Read on...

    Frankly, while I understand everyones concerns, I have little sympathy for those who annoy bears and get mauled.

    "That what you get" should have a stronger place in our jurisprudence.

    Broke into someones house and got shot?

    That's what you get.

    Talk long **** about and actually attack the US.and get offed for it?

    That's what you get.

    Get your neck snapped when somebody catches you molesting a little kid?

    That's what you get.
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    Re: Poll: Should President Obama Be Impeached? Read on...

    Obama shouldn't be impeached as Bush wasn't for the Iraq war.

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    Re: Poll: Should President Obama Be Impeached? Read on...

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Obama shouldn't be impeached as Bush wasn't for the Iraq war.
    I don't think Obama should be impeached either for this, even though I don't like how he threw out the rule of law. However, I think it is fallacious to give Obama free passes just because George Bush sucked. Unfortunately, many progressives love to use George Bush as a standard for the Obama administration. I thought many progressives would hold Obama to higher standards than Bush, but Bush is the gift that just keeps on giving.

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    Re: Poll: Should President Obama Be Impeached? Read on...

    Obama simply did what Congress said he could do. It is Congress that should be held ultimately accountable.

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    Re: Poll: Should President Obama Be Impeached? Read on...

    No, he shouldn't be impeached. I think that this highlights a problem in our legal system that needs to be fixed. Obviously it isn't always possible to arrest someone and bring them to trial if they are living abroad, American citizen or not. So the options are kill them or leave them alone. I'm not comfortable with the president being able to unilaterally target American citizens for assassination, but our legal system didn't give him any other option.

    What I would like to see is a "trial in abstentia" by a judge and jury who have access to classified information. Obama would then have to prove three things to the judge and jury: 1) Awlaki had committed a felony, 2) Awlaki was still a threat to the national security of the United States, and 3) Awlaki couldn't be arrested and extradited by normal means. If the judge/jury signed off on it, then Obama would have free reign to hunt him down with Predator drones. If they said no, then he wouldn't. Such a system wouldn't be perfect, but it would be a big step forward from what we currently have, where the president gets to pick and choose who he wants to kill without any oversight whatsoever.
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