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Poll: Should President Obama Be Impeached? Read on...

Should President Obama be Impeached?


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I don't think there's anything wrong with Joe Biden.

Errr sam, you and I agree on most everything...and I like and respect your thinking....but the thought of a biden President is frightening...the man is near braindead...I remember the torture liberals put Dan Quayle through calling him stupid because he made one gaff mispelled patato...put an E on the end...biden has surpassed Dan Quayle a 1000 fold....
 
The Constitution says he can be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, it says nothing about being a liar, incompetent, stupid, being a fraud, or doing everything wrong and a total failure, or Jimmy Carter would have gone to jail.

Obama need to see that he has no future and that his plans will not carry the day and he should step aside.

I would rather he be beaten in the election because if he pulls out Hillary will run and she could win because right now she is just about the only one in Government with good poll numbers.

Why I haven't a clue.

I don't want anyone impeached because it reflects poorly on us as a Nation. A lot of people don't understand that to impeach means to bring charges. Once the charges are made then there had to be a trail.

Leave Obama alone and let's just defeat him in the election booth.
 
Impeach Obama!!!
That's Awesome....Simply Awesome:applaud

Off-Course he should be impeached.
He single-handed destroyed our nations financial woes. Obama has foolishly spent more U.S. dollars in just three years, more than the total amount combined of the past 5 former presidents had spent.
He gave away Billions and Billions more of our nations dollars to the Muslin countries.

And his involvement of knowing about the Fast and Furious Act.
There are those in the Justice Department and ATF that should be fired and placed in Prisons.
Obama needs to be Impeached.
 
Because unfortunately our legal system offers no other option to the president, aside from letting Awlaki off the hook entirely. It's something that needs to be changed (I'm not comfortable with the president deciding to execute people either), but one can hardly fault Obama for acting on the only option available to him.
Killing an enemy combatant on the battlefield is not murder. He was an enemy propagandist in an enemy convoy. He was a legitimate target. His citizenship was not relevant other than to require a small additional scrutiny by lawyers.
Terrorism is not a crime, it is a war tactic. He was not a criminal. He was an unlawful enemy combatant.
 
He single-handed destroyed our nations financial woes.

If he did that, he'd be cruising to an easy re-election!

None of what you mentioned is actually a crime. I agree with Concilman that if we were going to make being a failure as a President an impeachable offense, Jimmy Carter would have been hung (along with a few others). So let's just say that bad policies are not impeachable offenses. Obama's had plenty of those, but it's not impeachable.
 
Impeach Obama!!!
That's Awesome....Simply Awesome:applaud

Off-Course he should be impeached.
He single-handed destroyed our nations financial woes. Obama has foolishly spent more U.S. dollars in just three years, more than the total amount combined of the past 5 former presidents had spent.
He gave away Billions and Billions more of our nations dollars to the Muslin countries.

And his involvement of knowing about the Fast and Furious Act.
There are those in the Justice Department and ATF that should be fired and placed in Prisons.
Obama needs to be Impeached.


we really need a "dislike" button on this forum.
 
we really need a "dislike" button on this forum.

You had to figure that at least a few people would come in with "Obama should be impeached because I disagree with his policies!"
 
Because unfortunately our legal system offers no other option to the president, aside from letting Awlaki off the hook entirely. It's something that needs to be changed (I'm not comfortable with the president deciding to execute people either), but one can hardly fault Obama for acting on the only option available to him.
I agree with his actions and think he has done a great job with regard to fighting terrorism so obviously I dont think he should be ompeached...I just find the contrasting positions very interesting. What 'legal positions' would you like to see him offered regarding terrorists?
 
My understanding of US law (which admittedly is not totally clear) is that trials by absentia can be used to convict a fugitive of a crime...but there is no mechanism in our legal system to target a US citizen living abroad for assassination. I think we probably need something like this for practical reasons, but it should be reserved for people who are a threat to national security.

If he had been tried and found guilty, there would be very little discussion over this.
 
BTW, if what Spuddy says is true -- and I'm thinkin' it must be -- I think that's a mistake. Why penalize regular users by letting "guests" (better known as Sock Puppets) stack the results?? :shock:
 
Impeach Obama!!!
That's Awesome....Simply Awesome:applaud

Off-Course he should be impeached.
He single-handed destroyed our nations financial woes. Obama has foolishly spent more U.S. dollars in just three years, more than the total amount combined of the past 5 former presidents had spent.
He gave away Billions and Billions more of our nations dollars to the Muslin countries.

And his involvement of knowing about the Fast and Furious Act.
There are those in the Justice Department and ATF that should be fired and placed in Prisons.
Obama needs to be Impeached.

Following TC: Begone Poe!!!
 
If he had been tried and found guilty, there would be very little discussion over this.

I'm sure most enemy combatants are tried and found guilty in war, whether they are agents, officers, or just regular captured soldiers
 
I voted "No."
 
If we did not impeach both Bush and Cheney for invading a country (Iraq) under pretenses most of the world realized were bogus, why should impeachment even be a consideration when a president uses the articles of war and the 2001 law to take out a terrorist? Al Awlaki was actively plotting to kill Americans within the US. He was determined to have been the mastermind behind the foiled plot to bomb Time Square. Obama absolutely had the authority to put this man on the 'terrorists to be killed if found in countries where we cannot arrest them' list. This man was living in a country where he knew we could not arrest him - and he was probably counting on his citizenship to save him from the fate of OBL. Congress has agreed that a president has the right to use whatever force is necessary to to protect the country and its citizens from terrorists planning to attack us. Congress did not stipulate "unless the terrorist is a US citizen". The lack of this stipulation means this can be used against anyone regardless of citizenship.

If you partisans want to change the law, contact your elected officials. However, I seriously doubt any off them will be willing to go soft on terrorism during an election cycle.
 
If we did not impeach both Bush and Cheney for invading a country (Iraq) under pretenses most of the world realized were bogus, why should impeachment even be a consideration when a president uses the articles of war and the 2001 law to take out a terrorist? Al Awlaki was actively plotting to kill Americans within the US. He was determined to have been the mastermind behind the foiled plot to bomb Time Square. Obama absolutely had the authority to put this man on the 'terrorists to be killed if found in countries where we cannot arrest them' list. This man was living in a country where he knew we could not arrest him - and he was probably counting on his citizenship to save him from the fate of OBL. Congress has agreed that a president has the right to use whatever force is necessary to to protect the country and its citizens from terrorists planning to attack us. Congress did not stipulate "unless the terrorist is a US citizen". The lack of this stipulation means this can be used against anyone regardless of citizenship.

If you partisans want to change the law, contact your elected officials. However, I seriously doubt any off them will be willing to go soft on terrorism during an election cycle.

I have already said that I voted "No," so on that part we are in agreement. I do want to point out what I believe to be an incorrect statement on your part. I will not disrupt this thread to discuss it further, but your comment about what most of the world realized is not correct. I will leave my comment at that.
 
Following TC: Begone Poe!!!

That's awesome.

Hey!... tell me something. How come you never start-up a subject, or a topic on anything.?

You only go around injecting your annoying nonsence from other peoples topics.
Or your refering me to Poe.?

Awesome.
 
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If the right is hell-bent on impeachment, let them go for it. I predict it will work out about the same as trying to impeach Clinton did in 1999. The voters got sick of the GOP putting their partisanship ahead of the country's welfare and turned control of the Senate over to the Dems and severely reduced the GOP majority in the House in 2000.
 
If the right is hell-bent on impeachment, let them go for it. I predict it will work out about the same as trying to impeach Clinton did in 1999. The voters got sick of the GOP putting their partisanship ahead of the country's welfare and turned control of the Senate over to the Dems and severely reduced the GOP majority in the House in 2000.

nobody is "hell bent" on impeachment....this poll is the first i've heard of such a notion.
 
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Let's not talk about each other folks. Stick to the topic.
 
No, he shouldn't be impeached. I think that this highlights a problem in our legal system that needs to be fixed. Obviously it isn't always possible to arrest someone and bring them to trial if they are living abroad, American citizen or not. So the options are kill them or leave them alone. I'm not comfortable with the president being able to unilaterally target American citizens for assassination, but our legal system didn't give him any other option.
I agree. This US citizen willingly joined a global terrorist organization aimed at inflicting death and destruction upon America and her people, he rose to the upper hierarchy in this terrorist organization, and engaged in the planning and support of terror strikes. In plain language, he was an al-Qaeda combatant commander.

His fiefdom was the tribal lands of north/eastern Yemen, a large area that is not under the control of the Yemen government. Neither the Yemenite military nor foreigners are allowed/tolerated in this territory. In this respect, it is similar to the lawless frontier provinces in Pakistan where al-Qaeda/Haqqani terrorists plan attacks against international forces in Afghanistan. For many years the higher AQ/HN operatives in Pakistan have been targeted by US drones.

What we have here then is an American-born enemy combatant commander who is not approachable on the ground by police/military assets. The only way to neutralize this deadly threat is via a Hellfire missile fired from a Predator drone. An Executive Order to locate and kill this terrorist renegade was issued by the CIC. This was not a secret document. It was available to all branches of the US government, all legal entities public and private, and the American public. His violent death should come as a surprise to no one. The writing was on the proverbial wall.

What I would like to see is a "trial in abstentia" by a judge and jury who have access to classified information. Obama would then have to prove three things to the judge and jury: 1) Awlaki had committed a felony, 2) Awlaki was still a threat to the national security of the United States, and 3) Awlaki couldn't be arrested and extradited by normal means. If the judge/jury signed off on it, then Obama would have free reign to hunt him down with Predator drones. If they said no, then he wouldn't. Such a system wouldn't be perfect, but it would be a big step forward from what we currently have, where the president gets to pick and choose who he wants to kill without any oversight whatsoever.
I've searched and as far as I can determine, "Trial in Absentia" is virtually unknown in the US legal system. The Supreme Court has denied previous requests, the latest being an effort to prosecute Roman Polanski in Absentia. But I do agree that a process of legal oversight needs to be instituted and implemented.
 
But I do agree that a process of legal oversight needs to be instituted and implemented.

This is to me the big thing. I think that Obama has, as best I can tell, handled this legally. I also have seen no evidence that he has abused the power to do things like this. However, the thought of a President Cain with this power worries me. The thought of a president Bachmann with this power scares me. The thought of a president Perry with this power is downright terrifying. Oversight and some sort of check and balance is needed before we end up sending cruise missiles into residential neighborhoods to get at some one who might have met a terrorist once.
 
This is to me the big thing. I think that Obama has, as best I can tell, handled this legally. I also have seen no evidence that he has abused the power to do things like this. However, the thought of a President Cain with this power worries me. The thought of a president Bachmann with this power scares me. The thought of a president Perry with this power is downright terrifying. Oversight and some sort of check and balance is needed before we end up sending cruise missiles into residential neighborhoods to get at some one who might have met a terrorist once.

I don't disagree with you in principle. But if the alternative to a Presidential decision is hearings in Congress, I disagree. A Committee of Seven briefed by the President in secret over a three-day period ought to do the trick. And, of course, only in the rare instance we're talking about a U.S. civilian on foreign soil whose capture would cost American lives.
 
I don't disagree with you in principle. But if the alternative to a Presidential decision is hearings in Congress, I disagree. A Committee of Seven briefed by the President in secret over a three-day period ought to do the trick. And, of course, only in the rare instance we're talking about a U.S. civilian on foreign soil whose capture would cost American lives.

Full congressional hearings or whatever would not work for several reasons, the largest being it would advertise intent. I would think a panel of congressman, even number from each party, who have to 60 + % approve, and then SCOTUS review could allow it to be done quickly, secretly and give oversite.
 
Killing an enemy combatant on the battlefield is not murder. He was an enemy propagandist in an enemy convoy. He was a legitimate target. His citizenship was not relevant other than to require a small additional scrutiny by lawyers.
Terrorism is not a crime, it is a war tactic. He was not a criminal. He was an unlawful enemy combatant.

The problem is that if the president is allowed to unilaterally make that decision without any oversight, it opens up a can of worms where it might NOT be as clear-cut next time. What happens if the next president (Democrat or Republican, whichever you fear more) decides to make a "hit list" of American citizens living abroad? He/she offers no proof of any crime, and cites Obama as precedent. Would you be comfortable with that? I certainly wouldn't. At the very least, I think the president should be required to go before a judge with access to classified information, and get the judge's approval before he targets an American citizen for assassination.
 
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