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  • A Liberal cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Conservative cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Libertarianl cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Socialist cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Fascist cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Communist cannot be a Christian

    34 44.74%
  • A Centrist or Moderatel cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Monarchist cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Despotist cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • All believers in these ideologies can be Christian

    37 48.68%
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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Your post 44 paints all slaves with the same broad brush. you made no distinction and now that you've been caught lying you try to move the goal posts. You still ignored all those regulations, there's no point is equivocating further.

    The Left has don more to destroy the lives of minorities then biblical slavery ever could, having themselves creating a sophisticated form of slavery keeping the public dependent of the government instead of supporting independence. Social programs from welfare to the New deal and the upcoming ObamaCare (aka the Democrat Incumbent Forever Act). Not that the GOP is much better with it's big corporate abuses.

    Only when the government has been reduced to the bear necessities of printing money and defending boarders can complaints about slavery be valid.

    There's no point in bitching about biblical slavery since we are today doing much more despicable and inhumane things to ourselves. Replacing most of our social programs with biblical slavery could only be a drastic improvement in our society.
    Of course there's a point bitching about biblical slavery when someone like yourself chooses to misrepresent what it was.

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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    The Christian way of life prescribed in the New Testament is very circumscribed. Pretty much all political ideologies except Christian anarchism are inconsistent with it.
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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Not communism because part of being a communist is the rejection of religion and the adoption of atheism. So technically no they can't.
    That applies to Socialism too....Communism and Socialism are as the same.

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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I stated that slavery is morally reprehensible, which is an undeniable fact...
    It most certainly is not. In some cases it is, and yet in others it is not.

    The dominant culture always subjugates the lesser. This exists throughout nature, which we are a part of, not immune from.

    What determines ethicacy is not the existence of slaves, but how they are treated.

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    It's that simple.
    You're free to stop lying about me at any time.

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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I stated that slavery is morally reprehensible, which is an undeniable fact, and presented verses from the Bible that supported the claim. If we're going to go by your definition of lying, you purposefully omitted what happens to non-Hebrew slaves, to paint Judeo-Christian slavery as little more than paid contractor work. It's not my problem if you don't like your religions history. The rest of your post is a text-book red-herring, and not even worth addressing.

    It's not my problem if you don't like parts of your religious texts. You could accept that such despicable acts were a part of your religious heritage, and be so thankful for the centuries of reform that have advanced the Christian faith into the mostly peaceful, and empathetic ideology it is today, that you continue the advancement towards peaceful coexistence. You could also continue to deny the past in order to fruitlessly defend the indefensible with word games, and blatant fallacies. You can do a lot of things, really, but tossing feeble distractions around to change a subject you clearly aren't willing to face doesn't help anything, nor does it change anything. Don't like slavery? Then learn from the past to make sure it never happens again. It's that simple.
    I would also add that what Christ taught is not always the same as what is approved in the Bible. Christs teachings are in contradiction with some parts of the Old Testament
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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It most certainly is not. In some cases it is, and yet in others it is not.

    The dominant culture always subjugates the lesser. This exists throughout nature, which we are a part of, not immune from.

    What determines ethicacy is not the existence of slaves, but how they are treated.
    That's a load of bull****, and you know it. Slavery is the forcible denigration of a human being that strips them of their personal rights and freedoms. There is nothing morally acceptable about that, under any circumstance.


    You're free to stop lying about me at any time.
    I'm basing an inference on what you've stated here. Obviously, I've struck a nerve.
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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    That's a load of bull****, and you know it.
    What I said is factually accuret with world history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Slavery is the forcible denigration of a human being that strips them of their personal rights and freedoms.
    Slaves can have rights. Not just privileges, but rights. They do time and again in history. What makes one a slave is endentured servitude, not a total lack of any rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    There is nothing morally acceptable about that, under any circumstance.
    Under many circumstances, in fact. Generaly, when a dominant culture wars for land and resources, but genocide is uncalled for, subjugating the native culture, as opposed to eradicating them, is both moral and economically sound.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I'm basing an inference on what you've stated here. Obviously, I've struck a nerve.
    Either that or I just took a step in our mutual escalation. Your turn.
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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by dixiesolutions View Post
    That applies to Socialism too....Communism and Socialism are as the same.
    No, they are not....

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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I would also add that what Christ taught is not always the same as what is approved in the Bible. Christs teachings are in contradiction with some parts of the Old Testament
    Do you have an example of such.... as Christ says otherwise..... The Bible is a consistent story from Old to New Testament...

    Matthew 5...

    17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Do you have an example of such.... as Christ says otherwise..... The Bible is a consistent story from Old to New Testament...

    Matthew 5...

    17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
    Your biblical quote refers to "The Law" not to "The Old Testament"
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