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  • A Liberal cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Conservative cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Libertarianl cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Socialist cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Fascist cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Communist cannot be a Christian

    34 44.74%
  • A Centrist or Moderatel cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Monarchist cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Despotist cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • All believers in these ideologies can be Christian

    37 48.68%
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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Educate yourself. "Marxism" began before Karl Marx was a twinkle in his daddies eye.
    Yes but we are talking about COMMUNISM not any other Utopian ideology that allowed religion.
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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    No. Contractors willingly enter that line of work, they get paid, and they can come and go as they please. Their also exempt from beatings, and being treated as personal property to be inherited. Slavery was never morally acceptable, because it strips a man of every last human right possible. It's disgusting, and inexcusable. From the Bible itself:


    These are just three examples. They weren't treated like contractors, they were treated like farm animals to be beaten, bought, and sold.
    I like how you skip all the regulations on paying slaves, of treating them with dignity and respect, of bans against abuse, and how one can only be a slave for more than 7 years if they volunteer for it. Try your lies on someone who will actually buy into your bull****.

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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Yeah but were not just talking about a Classless stateless society, were talking about Communism, a specific form of this that does require no religion.
    Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless and stateless society structured upon common ownership of the means of production, free access to articles of consumption, and the end of wage labour and private property in the means of production and real estate.
    That's it, that's all communism is. As much as I disagree with this system, it's not inherently anti-religious. Google search Friedrich Engels, who supported, and worked with Karl Marx. His religious views were influenced by Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, and would now be labeled as Pantheism.
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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I like how you skip all the regulations on paying slaves, of treating them with dignity and respect, of bans against abuse, and how one can only be a slave for more than 7 years if they volunteer for it. Try your lies on someone who will actually buy into your bull****.
    Those are rules pertaining to the ownership of Hebrew slaves, and those who sell themselves into slavery to settle a debt. Foreign born slaves can be beaten, humiliated, and worked to death, by their owners if it is the owners will to do so, and their wives and daughters can be forced into sexual slavery. The foreign born slave is not viewed as human, (s)he is viewed as property.
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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Yeah but were not just talking about a Classless stateless society, were talking about Communism, a specific form of this that does require no religion.
    Communism is a very diverse ideology that predates Marx by a long-ass time. He is not the only communist theorist, just the most famous. Marx may have called religion the "opiate of the masses," but many groups have used Christianity as a basis for communism.

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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I like how you skip all the regulations on paying slaves, of treating them with dignity and respect, of bans against abuse, and how one can only be a slave for more than 7 years if they volunteer for it. Try your lies on someone who will actually buy into your bull****.
    From what I remember, that only applies to Hebrew slaves.

    Ah, I see someone else clarified that above me :-)

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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There are things that are fundamental to Christianity: specifically a belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and Savior, and in his resurrection.

    Then there are grey areas where sincere people can have honest disagreement.... how to keep the Sabbath, and which day; abortion could be considered somewhat debateable as there is not a clear commandment; What Political Jersey Would Jesus Wear is certainly a silly thing to use as a yardstick, IMO.
    I know that's a popular definition, but I don't see a belief in his resurrection as a requirement. Even Jesus said that all that was necesarry to enter the Kingdom of Heaven was to love God and to love ones' neighbors

    on edit: I do think a belief in Christ as the Son of God and Savior is needed though. Without those, the love of God and neighbor are just generic morality.
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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Those are rules pertaining to the ownership of Hebrew slaves, and those who sell themselves into slavery to settle a debt. Foreign born slaves can be beaten, humiliated, and worked to death, by their owners if it is the owners will to do so, and their wives and daughters can be forced into sexual slavery. The foreign born slave is not viewed as human, (s)he is viewed as property.
    Your post 44 paints all slaves with the same broad brush. you made no distinction and now that you've been caught lying you try to move the goal posts. You still ignored all those regulations, there's no point is equivocating further.

    The Left has don more to destroy the lives of minorities then biblical slavery ever could, having themselves creating a sophisticated form of slavery keeping the public dependent of the government instead of supporting independence. Social programs from welfare to the New deal and the upcoming ObamaCare (aka the Democrat Incumbent Forever Act). Not that the GOP is much better with it's big corporate abuses.

    Only when the government has been reduced to the bear necessities of printing money and defending boarders can complaints about slavery be valid.

    There's no point in bitching about biblical slavery since we are today doing much more despicable and inhumane things to ourselves. Replacing most of our social programs with biblical slavery could only be a drastic improvement in our society.
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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Making this a left-right issue?

    Gee, I didn't see that one coming
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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Your post 44 paints all slaves with the same broad brush. you made no distinction and now that you've been caught lying you try to move the goal posts. You still ignored all those regulations, there's no point is equivocating further.
    I stated that slavery is morally reprehensible, which is an undeniable fact, and presented verses from the Bible that supported the claim. If we're going to go by your definition of lying, you purposefully omitted what happens to non-Hebrew slaves, to paint Judeo-Christian slavery as little more than paid contractor work. It's not my problem if you don't like your religions history. The rest of your post is a text-book red-herring, and not even worth addressing.

    It's not my problem if you don't like parts of your religious texts. You could accept that such despicable acts were a part of your religious heritage, and be so thankful for the centuries of reform that have advanced the Christian faith into the mostly peaceful, and empathetic ideology it is today, that you continue the advancement towards peaceful coexistence. You could also continue to deny the past in order to fruitlessly defend the indefensible with word games, and blatant fallacies. You can do a lot of things, really, but tossing feeble distractions around to change a subject you clearly aren't willing to face doesn't help anything, nor does it change anything. Don't like slavery? Then learn from the past to make sure it never happens again. It's that simple.
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