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  • A Liberal cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Conservative cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Libertarianl cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Socialist cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Fascist cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Communist cannot be a Christian

    34 44.74%
  • A Centrist or Moderatel cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Monarchist cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • A Despotist cannot be a Christian

    33 43.42%
  • All believers in these ideologies can be Christian

    37 48.68%
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Thread: Who cannot be a Christian?

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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Anyone who does not believe and accept that Jesus Christ is the Son of Almighty God.
    Cannot be a Christian.



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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    I don't think any of those ideologies would render a person unable to be a Christian. It is worth noting that Communism has historically been hostile to religion, however. One could also mention that Anarchism is typically associated with atheism as well.

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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    sure they can. Christians have been wrong about those kinds of issues before - slavery, for example.
    We were never wrong about slavery.

    There is nothing immoral or unethical about biblical slavery. It's little different then modern contract labor.

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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    We were never wrong about slavery.

    There is nothing immoral or unethical about biblical slavery. It's little different then modern contract labor.
    Dude you just say there is nothing wrong about being a slave in biblical times?


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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Dude you just say there is nothing wrong about being a slave in biblical times?
    Did you just say Jews and Christians were running Egypt?

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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Perhaps. But the nature of my question is that I have seen people hold the idea that a liberal cannot be a Christian due to their stance on abortion, for example. I am curious about this sort of thinking.
    Sorry, but that would be a belief held only by a legalistic nuevo born-again with less than half a brain. In other words, people that held such beliefs can be dismissed in the same way that we don't argue with those afflicted with Alzheimer's.

    An interesting argument can be made as to whether you can be a capitalist and a Christian. Certainly there is nothing in the Bible that suggests capitalism is bad, in fact, most of it is implied to be quite noble.... on the other hand, if you are a capitalist because you love money, now that is a real problem. Unlike the abortion issue, which Christ never spoke about, he spoke a ton about money. Most piercing to the "I love money" crowd:

    Matthew 6:24

    “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."


    Luke 16:13

    No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

    If you can not serve God, you can not be a Christian.
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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Perhaps. But the nature of my question is that I have seen people hold the idea that a liberal cannot be a Christian due to their stance on abortion, for example. I am curious about this sort of thinking.

    There are things that are fundamental to Christianity: specifically a belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and Savior, and in his resurrection.

    Then there are grey areas where sincere people can have honest disagreement.... how to keep the Sabbath, and which day; abortion could be considered somewhat debateable as there is not a clear commandment; What Political Jersey Would Jesus Wear is certainly a silly thing to use as a yardstick, IMO.

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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Dude you just say there is nothing wrong about being a slave in biblical times?
    He is correct. There is nothing in the Bible that admonishes the idea of slavery... and it instructs slaves to serve their masters well. The Bible, particularly the new testament, generally accepts the political systems as they are. It never instructs people to overthrow or rebel against their governments or kings, but instead instructs people to respect authority.

    Romans 13
    Submission to Governing Authorities


    1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.
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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Then there are grey areas where sincere people can have honest disagreement.... how to keep the Sabbath, and which day; abortion could be considered somewhat debateable as there is not a clear commandment; What Political Jersey Would Jesus Wear is certainly a silly thing to use as a yardstick, IMO.
    My favorite quote dealing with this comes from Paul:

    Quote Originally Posted by Romans 14
    1 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

    5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
    When I first read this verse, I was floored. If people lived by this, the church would be so fundamentally different today, I doubt I could predict the different form of it. Amazing wisdom here.

    However, there are many who (in my opinion) wrap Christianity up and complicate it with this or that and forget the one fundamental, that they do get past themselves and judge people when we should be encouraging each other. Ultimately though, while I do not like it, the view that one must hold a certain political principal to be a true Christian does exist and this thread was an attempt in probing it to learn more about what drives these people.

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    Re: Who cannot be a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    He is correct. There is nothing in the Bible that admonishes the idea of slavery... and it instructs slaves to serve their masters well. The Bible, particularly the new testament, generally accepts the political systems as they are. It never instructs people to overthrow or rebel against their governments or kings, but instead instructs people to respect authority.
    A lot of people simply go with their knee-jerk reaction, thinking about Colonel Sanders ownin' dem Darkies and whuppin' 'em, and know nothing about ancient history, cultures or customs.

    If you went broke in a big way in ancient times (say your crops got eaten by locusts, raiders stole all your sheep and your oxen died of apoplexy), there was no Welfare safety net... if your kin couldn't help you, you and your family would starve. OR... you could sell yourself into slavery/servitude to a rich man, and be taken care of modestly in return for your labor.

    Virtually ALL ancient cultures and races practiced slavery of some kind. The details varied. Slaves might or might not have certain rights; slavery might be forever or only for a limited time period. In some cases it was little different from being an employee on a seven-year contract.

    In such a time, the Bible set limits on how long someone could be a slave or servant, as well as limits on the master's treatment of slaves.

    Slavery was an ethical step UP from being sacrificed to Moloch... which is what primitive tribes usually did with prisoners and captives until they had an agricultural surplus.
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