View Poll Results: What is the LARGEST cause of increasing health care expenditures in the US?

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  • Increasing Consumer Demand (rising income and population)

    1 2.94%
  • Advancement in Medical Technology

    5 14.71%
  • Cost Insulation from Third Party Payers (Employers, Insurance, Government)

    17 50.00%
  • Employee Based Health Insurance

    0 0%
  • State Mandated Benefits

    3 8.82%
  • Spending on Prescription Drugs

    0 0%
  • Adminstrative Costs (customer service, IT, underwriting)

    2 5.88%
  • Rising Prices in the Health Care Sector

    4 11.76%
  • Aging Population

    2 5.88%
  • Defensive Medicine

    0 0%
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    Re: Increasing Health Care Expenditures

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's not at all what I said but thanks for missing the entire point.
    Gosh Harry... Did my satirical post rub you the wrong way? It wasn't intended to. My post was obviously on a different track, and which had nothing to do with your point. You hit nail on the head.

    Health care happens to be one of the most complex social problems our nation faces - if not "the most" complex problem. Yet, so many people constantly attack the "symptoms" associated with the our problems...and attack a population of people who use and exacerbate the problem rather than examining potential root causes that reach far beyond health care consumers and even providers.

    We have a broken health care system that became such because of the corruption and control of a broken government.

    As the old saying goes - "the fox is minding the hen house."

    I apologize for using your post as a spring board to make a nonsensical comment.

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    Re: Increasing Health Care Expenditures

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    US healthcare cost ~25% more than any other country's healthcare per capita but is currently 34th from the top in healthcare outcomes and is well below most first-world countries in both years of healthy life and years of life.

    The reason several second world countries have better healthcare outcomes, more years of total life and years of healthy life is the lack of preventive care and early intervention thanks to the lack of universal healthcare. The reason the US healthcare costs so much while delivering so little is the unregulated health insurance and pharmaceutical industries are grotesquely overcharging the US populous.
    That is some of it, certainly but there is also an additional cost that is peculiar to America - accountancy. See over here if you go private you get charged a base rate per diem, Yes there are a few itemised costs but a lot of people within the industry are aware of the problem of diminishing returns - in other words if you try to account for EVERYTHING then the cost of that accounting is not worth the saving, But the system in America almost demands itemised accounting
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    Re: Increasing Health Care Expenditures

    Consumer demand immediately strikes me as #1 after Obama took office.

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    Re: Increasing Health Care Expenditures

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Source? .....

    One doesn't need Universal Health Care for Preventative Care (which is a recent development in medicine to start with) some insurance companies are doing this since it affects their bottom line.

    We have lower "health care outcomes" in the US due in part to the invasion from third world peoples from Central America.

    Insurance companies and Pharmaceutical companies are some of the most regulated businesses in the US. On a State level for the Insurance companies. And Federal level for the Pharmaceutical companies.
    Source was World Health Organization - because their site uses an app which produces a frame within a page, it is impossible to provide a link directly. Normally I do this when I post such info.

    Insurance companies are using preventive healthcare to lower costs, but that does not help those who are uninsured and cannot afford either preventative or early-intervention care.

    While a small percentage of healthcare outcomes may be due to immigrant (legal and not) from the south, most of those who are losing years of healthy life and years of life in general are people living in poverty or near poverty who were born and lived in the US their entire lives.

    Insurance and Pharmacutical industries have record-keeping regulation, but they are not prevented from overcharging or making exorbitant profit in the US as they are in many countries. An example from my personal experience - earlier this year I had a pulmonary embolism and required an injected-in-the-tummy drug called Lovenox (Enoxaparin) twice per day for three weeks. The hospitalist prescribed the name brand product and my regular doctor prescribed the generic. The name band product cast $105 US per injection from Walgreen Pharmacy and similar from several other US pharmacies. The cost of the generic was $95 per injection. I decided to check the cost outside the US - the cost of that generic drug in Canada was ~$29 US, in England ~$28 and ~$26 in France.
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    Re: Increasing Health Care Expenditures

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs
    The name band product cast $105 US per injection from Walgreen Pharmacy and similar from several other US pharmacies. The cost of the generic was $95 per injection. I decided to check the cost outside the US - the cost of that generic drug in Canada was ~$29 US, in England ~$28 and ~$26 in France.
    The problem with that is that they piggy-back on American R&D required to put these drugs to market. They are able to sell with minimal profit and no need to recoup billions in value-added cost needed to get from idea to store shelf.

    This is why I wanted America to just stop researching drugs. Leave it to other countries. Then we can take what they have and sell it dirt-cheap because of a lack of need in recouping those costs.

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    Re: Increasing Health Care Expenditures

    Its increases in prices in the healthcare industry...Ripoffs and scams and overcharges and the biggest cost is insurance company greed.

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    Re: Increasing Health Care Expenditures

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The problem with that is that they piggy-back on American R&D required to put these drugs to market. They are able to sell with minimal profit and no need to recoup billions in value-added cost needed to get from idea to store shelf.

    This is why I wanted America to just stop researching drugs. Leave it to other countries. Then we can take what they have and sell it dirt-cheap because of a lack of need in recouping those costs.
    This assumes that most new drugs are developed by US manufacturers - something that was once true, but increasingly is no longer the case. US consumers pay way more for drugs developed elsewhere because in order to sell them in the US, they must be distributed by a Big Pharm company instead of the manufacturer. US lawmakers get huge contributions from Big Pharm to keep this requirement in place.
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    Re: Increasing Health Care Expenditures

    That would be a situation where I'm against it. If you go through a history of posts, one thing you'll learn about me is that while I tend to have vitriol about many government agencies, the lion's share of it goes to the FDA. They're the worst of the worst. If they were dismantled and the USDA was given loose-leaf spheres of control, I wouldn't shed a tear.

    If anything is in desperate need of reform, it's this.

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    Re: Increasing Health Care Expenditures

    An essential service with inelastic demand is being delivered largely by for-profit companies. Not a surprise that the result is skyrocketing prices.

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    Re: Increasing Health Care Expenditures

    That does bring up a dilemma for sure. Oil/energy companies, pharmaceuticals, etc. could be a losing proposition because of legalized gouging.

    Oligarchial collusion does put a damper on competition.

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