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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Dunno. Some of the folks at the Republican candidate debates cheered for Perry, who has had 254 deaths carried out. Of course he also claims to be a "PRO-LIFE" guy, too. Confusing, huh? Wonder about "war"? Is that murder? Some say it is.

    I mean - taking a life is taking a life is taking a life. Or is it? Humans sure seem to have "selective ethics".
    Whats confusing is how easily people excuse justify and stand for the slaughter of an unborn child yet get their silkies twisted over the execution of a murderer. I mean...come on...how twisted do you have to be?

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Whats confusing is how easily people excuse justify and stand for the slaughter of an unborn child yet get their silkies twisted over the execution of a murderer. I mean...come on...how twisted do you have to be?

    Yes...this IS a fun game...isnt it.
    Considering the embryo is unable to sustain life on its own at that point, I'd say say you're just trying to murk the water with an entirely different issue. You should probably start an abortion poll if you want to talk about abortion.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Considering the embryo is unable to sustain life on its own at that point, I'd say say you're just trying to murk the water with an entirely different issue. You should probably start an abortion poll if you want to talk about abortion.
    tomato, tomahto...how many future scientists have you allowed to be slaughtered? Artists? And yet you care about a rapist/murderer?

    Hey...i didnt bring up the abortion connection...that was brought up with a left leaning bent...take it up with the correct person.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Recent high profile executions have resulted in a resurgence of debate about the death penalty. One thing I'm noticing is that, several times now, I have seen a post by someone who has told me in the past that it's wrong to call abortion murder (because abortion is legal) yet calling an execution murder. I do concede that abortion is not legally defined as murder, but then, wouldn't the same be true of the death penalty?

    So, what do you think? Is carrying out the death penalty murder? Explain why or why not.
    Strictly speaking, no, the death penalty is NOT murder.

    Rather, the death penalty is state sanctioned killing. Because it is sanctioned by the state it is not murder. As long as it fulfills legal requirements and is not inhumane.

    However, that does not mean that the death penalty is moral. I feel that it is no longer required in a civilized society. Now some advocates say that some people are too dangerous or commit crimes so heinous that should not be allowed to live. And to them I would concede a compromise that allows the death penalty but only if it's an anonymous vote by the jury and a juror is not dismissed for being a critic of the death penalty.
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    We are in good company in our use of capital punishment:

    "2011 - As of 5 May 2011 executions have been reported in the following 9 countries during 2011: Bangladesh, China, Iran, North Korea, the Palestinian Authority, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, UAE, USA."
    Use of capital punishment by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    By the definition of murder, it's not murder. It's hard to argue that, in the scheme of things, it's worth arguing against anyway.

    The US had 46 executions in 2010, 52 in 2009, and 37 in 2008. Assuming around a 20 year average from murder to execution, that still leaves about 60,000 murderers for '88, '89, and '90 that didn't get the death penalty. I realize that's a pretty broad brush with statistics, but there's small chance those that make it to the execution didn't get plenty of help to prove their innocence. Crime has come down since the '80's and '90's. But, does anyone really think that putting 46 people to death in the US for crimes they were committed of after having full trial and multiple appeals compared to 2.5 million deaths annually in the US is really a huge concern? The normal population of the US has about 800 deaths per 100,000 a year. In prison, the death rate is about 250 deaths per 100,000 a year. If you're just considering adults, 250/year is about 20% lower than regular people. Meaning, you're 20% less likely to die in prison than you are out of prison. Now, apply that to the people we're discussing - typically violent men with past felonies. They probably only lasted the 20 or so years until they were executed because they were in prison. The death penalty is a major factor in plea-bargaining. It should not come off the table. If you'd like to save someone from being "murdered", I'd spend the effort on the 60,000 instead of the 130.
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Anyone that commits murder....And is Guilty of Murder....They should be put to death. FAST.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Death penalty is justice not murder.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by dixiesolutions View Post
    Anyone that commits murder....And is Guilty of Murder....
    Except that too many times those are two mutually exclusive things.
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    If an innocent is murdered through the death penalty, it isn't on the governments hands, it's on the jury's hands.

    Are we going to imprison 12 people for making a decision based on what they were showed?
    No, actually it's not all on the jury. That's why we all have the constitutional right to appeal our case. The government doesn't answer to the jury. If it did, Troy Davis wouldn't be dead right now, because the jury went back on their guilty verdict and disputed the evidence. The government makes the ultimate decision on whether or not somebody on death row walks or dies.

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