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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    I do not think I agree with the death penalty. It's not a hot button issue for me, but the whole "eye for an eye" idea irks me.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    No, as long as it can be proven, without a doubt that the person is guilty of a heinous crime, it is a legitimate form of justice.
    Is killing an innocent murder? and shouldn't the government be held responsible for murder?

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The False Confession | Psychology Today

    An interesting read and relevant to this topic. Plenty of convicted criminals are convicted because they confessed to the crime, but false confessions are actually pretty common. Yet another piece of evidence leading us toward the inevitable conclusion, that our system executes innocent people. The killing of an innocent person is murder, so yes, sometimes the death penalty can be murder. And it's quite a leap of faith to think that we've never executed an innocent person.
    Thats not so much an issue as it was and police are tuned into false confessors...every case that its possible they hold something back that no one else knows just for that reason....dna made false confessions even easier to discredit

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I do not think I agree with the death penalty. It's not a hot button issue for me, but the whole "eye for an eye" idea irks me.
    Dunno. Some of the folks at the Republican candidate debates cheered for Perry, who has had 254 deaths carried out. Of course he also claims to be a "PRO-LIFE" guy, too. Confusing, huh? Wonder about "war"? Is that murder? Some say it is.

    I mean - taking a life is taking a life is taking a life. Or is it? Humans sure seem to have "selective ethics".

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    The government kills people including innocent people, and because it's the government, it's legal.


    btw... that should sound absurd. It's murder if a person kills an innocent person. Kind of funny how we the entity with the most authority in society a free pass to kill us and without consequence.
    Last edited by SheWolf; 09-27-11 at 08:24 PM.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Dunno. Some of the folks at the Republican candidate debates cheered for Perry, who has had 254 deaths carried out. Of course he also claims to be a "PRO-LIFE" guy, too. Confusing, huh? Wonder about "war"? Is that murder? Some say it is.

    I mean - taking a life is taking a life is taking a life. Or is it? Humans sure seem to have "selective ethics".
    It doesn't matter if it's the government... Yes, government sets it's own rules but it doesn't change reality. It's like all the murders in Syria right now. The government is ordering killings and torture of people, it doesn't make it right under international law. That's why we had Nuremberg trials, and why Gadaffi is an international criminal. None of them broke the laws of their own government. Everything they did was considered legal.

    If our government opening started executing innocent people, it would be murder. The fact that the government sets it's own rules, doesn't change anything. Arguing that the government says it ok, or the government says anything is ok for that matter, isn't really an argument.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I do not think I agree with the death penalty. It's not a hot button issue for me, but the whole "eye for an eye" idea irks me.
    The idea of "an eye for an eye" doesn't irk me so much as the fact that innocent people get ****ed. If our criminal justice system worked I'd be all for it.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I do not think I agree with the death penalty. It's not a hot button issue for me, but the whole "eye for an eye" idea irks me.
    I agree, but many will argue its been the tradition among radical religious countries for centuries. Take Iran for example:

    "Capital punishment is legal and applied in Iran.[1] Capital crimes are murder, rape, adultery, pedophilia, sodomy, drug trafficking, moharebeh (waging war on people or God) and mofsed-e-filarz (spreading corruption on earth).[2] Various sources claim that up to 312 people were executed in Iran in 2010, the commonly accepted number being around 180.[3] The overwhelming majority were drug traffickers, and virtually all executions are carried out for murder, aggravated rape, large scale drug trafficking, and armed robbery (cases usually resulting in rape/death)."
    Capital punishment in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Its legal, but is it right?
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    What I've always been in awe of are the people who want to call abortion murder, but get riled up when the DP is called murder, and, on the flip side, people who want to call the DP murder, but get all riled up when abortion is called murder.

    The people who don't call either of those murder, or call both murder (I believe Mac considers both to be murder) are at least consistent in their application of the word.
    I dont think either is murder. I do think one is the execution of an individual convicted of murdering someone while the other is the slaughter of an unborn individual at the whim and convenience of another...but not murder. Murder involves the legal component.

    On the other hand, I'm not an advocate for banning either practice.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Is killing an innocent murder? and shouldn't the government be held responsible for murder?
    If an innocent is murdered through the death penalty, it isn't on the governments hands, it's on the jury's hands.

    Are we going to imprison 12 people for making a decision based on what they were showed?
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