Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.
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"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"
Cicero Marcus Tullius
Criminologists' Views on Deterrence and the Death Penalty
"Eighty-eight percent of the country’s top criminologists do not believe the death penalty acts as a deterrent to homicide, according to a new study published in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology and authored by Professor Michael Radelet, Chair of the Department of Sociology at the University of Colorado-Boulder, and Traci Lacock, also at Boulder.
Similarly, 87% of the expert criminologists believe that abolition of the death penalty would not have any significant effect on murder rates. In addition, 75% of the respondents agree that “debates about the death penalty distract Congress and state legislatures from focusing on real solutions to crime problems.”
The survey relied on questionnaires completed by the most pre-eminent criminologists in the country, including Fellows in the American Society of Criminology; winners of the American Society of Criminology’s prestigious Southerland Award; and recent presidents of the American Society of Criminology. Respondents were not asked for their personal opinion about the death penalty, but instead to answer on the basis of their understandings of the empirical research.
Facts about Deterrence and the Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center
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Murder? I don't know. Is justifiable homicide a form of murder? If the victim had killed the prep during the commission of the crime, would it have been ruled 'justifiable homicide'? If so, why can't society give justice to that victim?
I have no problem with the death penalty being applied when it has been proven that guilty party committed a heinous crime beyond any doubt (not just the reasonable doubt criteria that is needed to convict someone of a crime).
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I don't want to see religious bigotry in any form. It would disturb me if there was wedding between the religious fundamentalists and political right. The hard right has no interest in religion except to manipulate it. ~ Billy Graham in Parade magazine February 1, 1981.
There ya go bingo..you hit a point I was going to post...let me elaborate. A man enters a store with a gun to rob the store...threatens the owner give me your money while brandishing the gun....the owner grabs his gun and shoots the robber dead...is that murder ? most likely not in the eyes of the law and most people would cheer the store owner for having the testes to do it....
I still submit that I dislike the death penalty but there are some humans that are unfortunately not worth salvaging...there may be some good in everyone but in some the bad totally savages any good..
Yes, murders happen in prison but I can't recall someone who has recieved the death penalty ever killing anyone once locked up. Maybe a rare example cuold be found but it would be rare.
Officer John V. Mills, California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, California
Corrections Officer Donna A. Payant, New York State Department of Correctional Services, New York
Correctional Officer Killed in the Line of Duty at Charlotte Correctional Institution
Panhandle Corrections Officer Dies In The Line Of Duty : NorthEscambia.com
Press Release: Correctional Officer Murdered at Tomoka Correctional Institution
Theres hundreds of murders in prison...this is not counting murdered convicts....prison murders are notoriously under reported...corrections officials despise any notoriety around prison murders and are loathe to report them...they keep it as toned down as possible....severe injuries are an hourly occurence in maximum security prisons that arent total lockdown facilities which most are not.
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