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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Execution is not murder by its very definition. Execution is a legal form of punishment for certain crimes in certain states. It is not murder even if an innocent man is executed; it is a tragedy and a failure of our justice system.

    The death penalty should be used rarely and only with the most heinous of crimes, where guilt has been established by myriad corroborated physical evidence beyond all reasonable doubt. It should never be used in a purely circumstantial case, it should never be used as a legal lever to coerce plea bargained confessions or testimony against another, it should never be used as a political tool to enhance a prosecutor or D.A.'s reputation. And because it is used 95% of the time for all the cases it should not be used on, it has become a travesty and has lost credence when used in those rare cases where it is appropriate and deserved.

    BTW, the death penalty is an important issue to debate. I'm disappointed that it was used as a link to abortion.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Nope, murder is a legal term that means killing someone not sanctioned by law. As the death penalty, like it or not, is legal, it cannot, by definition, be murder.
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The only crime about the death penalty is that it is more expensive than imprisoning a man for the rest of his life.
    I think that's one of its saving graces.
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The only crime about the death penalty is that it is more expensive than imprisoning a man for the rest of his life.
    The only reason it's expensive is they allow them to appeal endlessly, not because they can give evidence they are factually innocent, but because they don't like the sentence. Require convicts to have a reasonable level of doubt that they were correctly convicted, cut down on the cost.
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    No. The definition of murder is the unlawful killing of a person, so executions are by definition not murder. That doesn't mean it's necessarily right, but it's not murder.
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Execution is not murder by its very definition. Execution is a legal form of punishment for certain crimes in certain states. It is not murder even if an innocent man is executed; it is a tragedy and a failure of our justice system.

    The death penalty should be used rarely and only with the most heinous of crimes, where guilt has been established by myriad corroborated physical evidence beyond all reasonable doubt. It should never be used in a purely circumstantial case, it should never be used as a legal lever to coerce plea bargained confessions or testimony against another, it should never be used as a political tool to enhance a prosecutor or D.A.'s reputation. And because it is used 95% of the time for all the cases it should not be used on, it has become a travesty and has lost credence when used in those rare cases where it is appropriate and deserved.

    BTW, the death penalty is an important issue to debate. I'm disappointed that it was used as a link to abortion.
    So when King Henry VIII (or choose your monarch) executed "heretics", that wasn't murder because it was lawful under his rule? Obviously this is an important topic that many feel strongly one way or the other about, but personally I don't buy the "the dictionary says so" argument.
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Recent high profile executions have resulted in a resurgence of debate about the death penalty. One thing I'm noticing is that, several times now, I have seen a post by someone who has told me in the past that it's wrong to call abortion murder (because abortion is legal) yet calling an execution murder. I do concede that abortion is not legally defined as murder, but then, wouldn't the same be true of the death penalty?

    So, what do you think? Is carrying out the death penalty murder? Explain why or why not.
    I would just like to clarify the contrast between abortion and capital punishment.

    The abortion debate is surrounded in non-provable questions regarding the fetus' level of consciousness, its level of suffering, if it's a separate being, if it has personhood, if it's okay to abort for medical reasons or reason of rape, etc. There is ambiguity over the status of the fetus as a separate being and what this means.

    We know fully well that a criminal is a human being who is alive, autonomous, and is being held accountable for something done wrong. My problem with the death penalty is that innocent people die, it's more expensive than just throwing them in jail, it disrupts communities further by killing an additional person, it doesn't bring egalitarian resolution to a crime that happened, etc.

    There is no ambiguity as to whether or not a convict is alive, sentient, and aware. They are. It's eye for an eye and nothing else. I wholeheartedly reject it as a means of discipline.
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think that's one of its saving graces.
    No kidding, otherwise it would be used for a lot more.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    My view on the death penalty is that when someone is found guilty of something that means they'll never be let into society again, they should be given a choice between life and death. Presumably, innocent people will choose to go to jail, since they know there's a good chance they'll be let out later. It also removes the costly appeals process. As for the execution itself, just use a firing squad. It's fast, effective, humane, and it doesn't cost tens of thousands of dollars.
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    My view on the death penalty is that when someone is found guilty of something that means they'll never be let into society again, they should be given a choice between life and death. Presumably, innocent people will choose to go to jail, since they know there's a good chance they'll be let out later.
    That choice is naive. Who would pick death? No one would.

    It also removes the costly appeals process. As for the execution itself, just use a firing squad. It's fast, effective, humane, and it doesn't cost tens of thousands of dollars.
    Why would that remove the appeals process?

    Anywhere you are shot you don't die right away. Even if you are shot in the head you brain lives for a bit after the fact.

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