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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Christ taught us at the Sermon on the Mount that heart rather than specific action dictates the nature of sin. I do not believe there is anything inherently immoral about the death penalty. However, those that cheer or find satisfaction when the death penalty has been carried out, have IMHO, committed murder in their hearts (hence it is murder), but it is not murder to those that have shed a tear in full thought of the human tragedy that has unfolded. If the death penalty is about retribution (which I believe it is to more people than not), its murder. If the death penalty is about law and order, it is not.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Christ taught us at the Sermon on the Mount that heart rather than specific action dictates the nature of sin. I do not believe there is anything inherently immoral about the death penalty. However, those that cheer or find satisfaction when the death penalty has been carried out, have IMHO, committed murder in their hearts (hence it is murder), but it is not murder to those that have shed a tear in full thought of the human tragedy that has unfolded. If the death penalty is about retribution (which I believe it is to more people than not), its murder. If the death penalty is about law and order, it is not.
    ret·ri·bu·tion *(rtr-byshn)
    n.
    1. Something justly deserved; recompense.
    2. Something given or demanded in repayment, especially punishment.
    3. Theology Punishment or reward distributed in a future life based on performance in this one.
    [Middle English retribucion, from Old French retribution, from Latin retribti, retribtin-, from retribtus, past participle of retribuere, to pay back : re-, re- + tribuere, to grant; see tribe.]

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    What if some rabid anti death penalty opponent survives a home invasion in which everybody in their family is killed but them? Would they experience a change in their believes about death penalty? Would you ever use a phrase like "slaughter of an unborn child" if you woke up in a difference life and in different circumstances? Abortion isn't all black and white... nor is the death penalty. All moral issues have grey areas. Abortion and death penalty really don't have much in common other than that.

    And while you're pointing out irony and using hyperbole, let me throw this out there... I bet you're against the slaughter of unborn children, but for the slaughter of walking breathing people in handcuffs... am I right?
    First off...with the crazy double negatives... "rabid anti death penalty opponent"...who are we talking about here?

    Second off...you may have missed it...Im not pro death penalty...but not for some hypocritical pretense that I actually give a **** about the person (as if those opposed to the death sentence give life w/out parole prisoners a second thought...please...). I care far more for the families of those they have hurt. I will cede to societies rules on the death sentence. If society deems that a murderous scumbag is deserving of death...I frankly dont care. He or she actually had a shot at life and in most cases where the death sentence is applied, their sentence is a reflection of their actions. As for the innocent and unborn child slaughtered...their only criem was they were inconveeenient. Yeah...that SHOULD be repulsive.

    But again...I didnt bring up the abortion issue...take it up with the person that did.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, it's not just another word for killing. It's a word for a specific kind of killing.

    All murder involves killing

    Not all killings are murders

    They are similar, they are not the same thing.

    Executions are legal killings. The fact they are legal makes them unable to be murder as murder requires the killing to be illegal.

    Reality regarding the definition of the word just doesn't match what you're saying

    You know how all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares?

    You're doing the equivalent of trying to say that a rectangle is a square, it's just an uneven sided square (which by definition would make it NOT a square)
    In reality the fact of it is innocent ment have been proven to be sent through death row. Executions are legal murder.

    The only functions of a prison should be to seperate the bruisers from the bruised. The killers from the killed. Basically big time stuff. Any non-voilent person sounds great with certian exceptions. Like a scam artist who has stolen many lifes worths of money. (= average yearly income or something) Maybe if the person requests execution personally.
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Apparently you've never seen a dictionary. Words have meanings for a reason.
    You just have a different mind than me. You might see Over Seas Contingancy Operations, Anti-terror strikes, Drone - bombings, killing, and murder as different words. But I see War without calling it war to subvert legal matters.

    You might see Republican, Democrat, Independant as different things. But I see them as all being subserviant to corporations and all part of the same ticket.

    I see your guys' distinctions on the differences of the word. But seeing as I dont believe in lawful ending of life to me its almost murder. Especially on cases were its ones word over the others yet lives are ending.
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    In reality the fact of it is innocent ment have been proven to be sent through death row. Executions are legal murder.
    Doesn't matter. Its legal for "innocent" men who have been found Guilty to be executed, thus it is not murder

    Again, there is no actual such thing as legal murder. That is a non-existant entity. It is a contradictory statement since murder in and of itself requires that the killing be illegal and thus you can not have legal murder.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    In reality the fact of it is innocent ment have been proven to be sent through death row. Executions are legal murder.

    The only functions of a prison should be to seperate the bruisers from the bruised. The killers from the killed. Basically big time stuff. Any non-voilent person sounds great with certian exceptions. Like a scam artist who has stolen many lifes worths of money. (= average yearly income or something) Maybe if the person requests execution personally.
    read this slow, there is no such thing as legal murder LMAO just like there is no such thing as consented rape.
    play all the word games you want, definitions of certain words are not subjective and this is one of those cases.
    you are free to THINK its murder but all that means is everytime you do you are factually wrong
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    read this slow, there is no such thing as legal murder LMAO just like there is no such thing as consented rape.
    play all the word games you want, definitions of certain words are not subjective and this is one of those cases.
    you are free to THINK its murder but all that means is everytime you do you are factually wrong
    There is legal premeditated killings though.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    There is legal premeditated killings though.
    this has what to do with the fact theres no such thing as legal murder?
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